more power, add 2nd alternator for more power at 14V Options

[nightrider]

You cannot effectively drive 1000w (RMS) amps using standard 12V battery supply. I have tried every trick in the book and you cannot maintain 14V for more than 10 minutes with the volume cranked up.

I have now added a second high output alternator hooked up to a small battery in the back and two 2 farad caps. This goes straight to my Alpine MRD100 mono block amp, what a sound, sets off car and shop alarms continualsy!!!

[eliaz]

And you are not deaf now?

[mzztoyota]

hah! you are a genius!

~wrings hands like a mad scientist~

"where's my wrench...?"

lol...that's awesome, congrats

[K-ESD]

how did you bolt on that second alt?

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

what do they bump in london? like what kinda music?

lol i could imagine all dat techno bass and all dat lol

damm but 1000 rms, dass alot. im barely pushing 300 rms on my amp "150 each sub" lol

kinda weak but they still bump!

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Aug 23, 2006 - 3:34 AM

[nightrider]

I have a single 15" running 2 coils at 2ohms @ 1000RMS its not hard on the ears but very hard on the chest. It sounds explosive and does not need to run at top volume to feel the power!! Hard Dancehall and RNB does the job just right. I will post pics on site soon but its just a bracket off the 1st alt to the 2nd and back to the AC unit. the only drawback is it is now vey thirsty on fuel!!!!

[trdproven]

Doesn't capacitors help from draining the battery or are you talking about keeping the power continuous throughout play?

[K-ESD]

Doesn't capacitors help from draining the battery or are you talking about keeping the power continuous throughout play?

i believe he's talking about generating more electrical power, he used to be consuming more power than the stock charging system could produce and his system would drain a notch every time the bass hits.

caps only smooth out the ripple caused by the amp draining the system the moment the bass hits. they do not reduce power consumtion in any way.


*system = electrical system of the car, alternator + battery

for more info, look into www.bcae1.com

[dustinkemp]

im running 1200 rms with only a second battery with no problem, but sounds like you got a good set up going

[tim86]

i need to do something like this, im at about 1000rms but still have the stock alternator with an optima battery...

[celicast3sgte]

WEAK! i ran 2400rms on my buddies 05' RSX.... now THAT is too much bass, it made your throat itch at 1/2 volume

[afroman]

i run 2300 rms on 1 battery and have no problems. MCH-1300 (memphis belle)and MCD-1000. the one catch is my battery is a Kinetik HC2400. thats one huge battery.
-Aaron-

This post has been edited by afroman: Sep 5, 2006 - 9:43 PM

[tim86]

i run 2300 rms on 1 battery and have no problems. MCH-1300 (memphis belle)and MCD-1000. the one catch is my battery is a Kinetik HC2400. thats one huge battery.
-Aaron-

where did you order yours from? thats one badass battery

[afroman]

i have a hook up, we compete and know the rep. i only paid 200 for my battery.
-aaron-

[nightrider]

I have no doubts that your systems are well put together, however you cannot run big bass amps off batteries as they require the power much faster than what a battery can give no matter what the size. Next, capacitors need to go between the batt and the amp, but they will lose their charge sooner rather than later. Most bass amps are rated at a constant supply voltage of 14V. You just cannot sustain that level of current with your lights, heating and engine all running and playing heavy bass tunes.

[afroman]

i understand where you are coming from. if i had the money i would run a large alt. but with that said i know many people that run large amps off just a battery and stock alt. that can sustain above 13V. there will be no noticable difference in spl with a 1 volt drop. example. 2 kicker 900.4 (AB lesss efficent than D class) on a stock alt of a honda B16a swaped integra and 1 large stinger battery. or in another integra kicker 2500.1 on 2 Diamond D9 12s. stock alt with yellow top under hood and small kinetik in the trunk. both cars can run loud bass songs for a long time and run above 13V.
-Aaron-

[Niskyspy]

Sorry, but I won't believe you until I see the pics of 2nd alternator installed!!! And if u did do it, I give you mad props for actually getting it to work.
I have a question for you now, how did u wire up the 2nd alternator to your power system? Do u use one for ur car and one just for your system or what?

Here's a couple of .02 cents from me about what you did.
1) Get rid of them stupid caps! All they are doing is limiting your system, caps are only good for the first couple of seconds, after that its just a waist and it just kills your system performance.
2) Why did u put in 2nd alternator??? There is no need for that especially with 1000Watt RMS amp. All you needed to do is just get kenetic battery (fast chargin - dischargin time battery which costs $200) I've seen them work. It hold up 13.5-14V for bout 5-8sec and this is more then enought for a big bass hit or 5-8sec of 65Hz tone burst (which is more then enough because u only supose to hold it for 2-4sec on the SPL meter) So you just waited your time and money on that 2nd alternator and 2nd battery, unless you are planning on going full out SPL and getting 3000-5000Watt RMS AMP. And for ur info, amps are rated at 14.4V. On average a good amp lets use JBL BP1200.1 as an example at full power which is 1000Watt RMS it takes 148amps, your stock ALT=70-75AMP's -ENGINE - HU&someother**** =60AMPS. Kinetic fast reacharging battery will get the AMPS up to what JBL1200.1 needs!!! (I've actually seen it done)

PS: I am not sure u actually know what you are talking about, because you didn't really show any knowlage (but at least u do know the basic things about SPL).

PLEASE POST PICS OF UR SETUP

i understand where you are coming from. if i had the money i would run a large alt. but with that said i know many people that run large amps off just a battery and stock alt. that can sustain above 13V. there will be no noticable difference in spl with a 1 volt drop. example. 2 kicker 900.4 (AB lesss efficent than D class) on a stock alt of a honda B16a swaped integra and 1 large stinger battery. or in another integra kicker 2500.1 on 2 Diamond D9 12s. stock alt with yellow top under hood and small kinetik in the trunk. both cars can run loud bass songs for a long time and run above 13V.
-Aaron-

Try not getting too much into arguments until we see some pics . And yes a good stock ALT and good battery like Kinetic (fast charge/discharge rate) with perform as good as 2nd alternator up to a point. The only pro's of 2nd alternator with 1000Watt rms amp is that he can run 65Hz tone burst until his eardrums pop

This post has been edited by Niskyspy: Sep 13, 2006 - 8:30 PM

[nightrider]

Yee of little faith!! Do I swap one of my profile pics to get a pic of my 2nd alt on the site, if so I will do it 2morrow, weep and see!!! I use the 2nd alt just to power the mono block and mid high amps. Alt – rear batt – 2 X CAP = X 2 amps. This setup gets me a constant 14.4V which is clean and powerful. I now have competition class sound and I can still run all my strobes, neons, AV, heater lights and just about anything with no loss of sound quality or power.

I have tried all sorts of batts and amp / sub configurations and they just sound good for a while but under heavy traffic conditions it all starts to sound like crap. I will now get a more powerful amp that can better use all the new current that I have.

Pics first then we will see what you think?

[Niskyspy]

Yee of little faith!! Do I swap one of my profile pics to get a pic of my 2nd alt on the site, if so I will do it 2morrow, weep and see!!! I use the 2nd alt just to power the mono block and mid high amps. Alt – rear batt – 2 X CAP = X 2 amps. This setup gets me a constant 14.4V which is clean and powerful. I now have competition class sound and I can still run all my strobes, neons, AV, heater lights and just about anything with no loss of sound quality or power.

I have tried all sorts of batts and amp / sub configurations and they just sound good for a while but under heavy traffic conditions it all starts to sound like crap. I will now get a more powerful amp that can better use all the new current that I have.

Pics first then we will see what you think?

its 28th still dont see any pics
Would u mind explaining why you stll have two caps, if u are running 14.4V at any load?

[nightrider]

u no I am playing with u??? I am some what flummoxed that you would ask the question? The alt goes straight to a 2nd battery in the boot this then powers the mono block via two caps to ensure that the amp gets the power at the demand speed rather than what the battery can supply. You of course already know this as you have stated that you use fast discharge batteries. Now I am not being bitchy but your car pics are not the ones I would write home about, but I can understand that you will at some point transform it into something that has a little more street credibility. Sorry I did not mean to dis u, pics on site tomorrow and you will need some ideas because my system delivers bass like you have never heard alarms and fellow traffic users all know I am about!!!