Real mystery about celicas..., everyone may help solve this Options

[saleeka]

The reason as to why you think that there are 2.2 5S-FE ST's in our market is because after the sales year 97 in the US, Toyota stripped the model lineup of model grade names completely, and ALL Celicas were then 5S-FE powered (and there were no GT coupes in 97). However, the interior trims of the old ST and GT still could be had (you had to have certain options in the car to get the "GT" grade seats and door trim). Also, many people don't realize that even though Toyota still put the GT badges on cars made after 97, not once will you see Toyota refer to any of the models as GT's. This is partialy why things get confusing.


This also may be a contributing factor, but I have a strong reason to belive that Toyota has certain models that exist "on paper", and my example to you is this- According to information that toyota provides, they produced 1996 GT coupes for the US. The problem is, you can't find ANY anywhere. I think that there is one member here who lists his car as a 96 GT coupe (in the US, remember), but he has no pics of the car, and if we could get the vin we could easily see if they really do exist. The proof that really convinces me that they never ended up being available is that in the 1996 factory brochure for the US, there is one pic of a GT coupe- It's Turquoise Pearl, and it has the new for 96 sideskirts on it. There are 2 problems though. First, the shot does not show any of the front of the car, so we don't see if it has the new style bumper. Second is it still has the old 94-95 style alloy wheels on it with the painted finnish- not the new style machine faced ones... All other shots of the alloys in the brochure have the machine finnish, and there is no distintion made in specs as to having the option of either finnish. this leads me to believe that it's a pre production model that never ended up being built on the assembly line. So yeah, hope that helps...

This post has been edited by saleeka: Nov 28, 2006 - 3:05 PM

[saleeka]

Afetr looking through the list you posted Malpaso- i've noticed a few holes that don't make sense either. First, I thought the canadian market never had coupes produced for them (someone correct me if i'm wrong ). Second, regarding the coupe production dates, I'm almost positive that coupes began production no sooner than 02/94... Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

This post has been edited by saleeka: Nov 28, 2006 - 6:53 PM

[malpaso]

First of all, thanks for your posts saleeka. You are first one here who don't think I'm crazy (about 2.2 5S-FE ST's)

now about those holes:

First, I thought the canadian market never had coupes produced for them (someone correct me if i'm wrong ).

I have this...

...and just dreaming about someone who will bring me real VIN to prove that

Second, regarding the coupe production dates, I'm almost positive that coupes began production no sooner than 02/94...

09/93 for sure... see this

so anyone with car from 94 should have (virtually) 93 model . My celi is perfect example. I have in papers 96 year of made, I have 96 bumper from stock, but my car was made 12/95 .

Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

Agree, my mistake... there were really 1999 liftback US models (ST204L-BLMSKA (MTM), ST204L-BLPSKA (ATM)). But only those ones and CV's. My model code list was edited, thanks for your notice...

[DippedInSauce]

I have a GT-S, I'm in the US.

I'll post VIN tomorrow. It's too late

[Alex-UKSC]

2.0 SS-II
produced: 09/93 - 08/99
model: ST202-BLMVF (MTM), ST202-BLPVF (ATM)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all models RHD, liftback

SSII details seem spot on except the standard BHP is 178.

[Negative]

Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

Mine. My VIN: JT2DG0279X.....
Things I know for sure I have:
-USDM
-2.2 5S-FE
-Sports Suspension
-Sunroof
-Liftback
-Leather seats, dash, door panels, upgrade arm rest
-TRD Quickshifter (but I have the receipt where the only other owner bought it with the car as an add-on)
-Machine finish rims (sold but was equipped)
-sideskirts and redesigned front bumper and spoiler

Things I know I didn't get:
-Strut Tower Braces [not even front like my '95GT had stock]
Turbo and AWD [Obviously but just for the record - man we got screwed here in NA]

I also have a car club that has had many 6th gens over the last 2-3years and this is what I have noticed:
GT - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe or Liftback
ST - Always 1.8L 7A-FE Coupe or Liftback
Nothing - Always 1.8L 7A-FE [or debadged] with almost no options and many times spoilerless unless it is a 25th anny. edition.
Verts - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe

Hope this helps. Can you confirm the above?

This post has been edited by Negative: Nov 29, 2006 - 12:17 PM

[malpaso]

Third, you have no codes for liftbacks produced in model year 1999, and i'm also very sure that they exist...

Mine. My VIN: JT2DG0279X.....
Things I know for sure I have:
-USDM
-2.2 5S-FE
-Sports Suspension
-Sunroof
-Liftback
-Leather seats, dash, door panels, upgrade arm rest
-TRD Quickshifter (but I have the receipt where the only other owner bought it with the car as an add-on)
-Machine finish rims (sold but was equipped)
-sideskirts and redesigned front bumper and spoiler

Things I know I didn't get:
-Strut Tower Braces [not even front like my '95GT had stock]
Turbo and AWD [Obviously but just for the record - man we got screwed here in NA]

I also have a car club that has had many 6th gens over the last 2-3years and this is what I have noticed:
GT - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe or Liftback
ST - Always 1.8L 7A-FE Coupe or Liftback
Nothing - Always 1.8L 7A-FE [or debadged] with almost no options and many times spoilerless unless it is a 25th anny. edition.
Verts - Always 2.2L 5S-FE Coupe

Hope this helps. Can you confirm the above?

Sorry I can't find anything sure from that part of VIN. I need all numbers for that (or model number for checking parts, but from model number I still can't find year of made etc.). If you want PM me that...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Nov 30, 2006 - 3:19 AM

[giang723]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

[Negative]

You're 5S right? I think you are the same as USDM GT and CSDM GTS. I think.

[malpaso]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

It's US 2.2 engine, UK interior and JDM body (some AU versions has 1/2 JDM interior too)

[Negative]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

It's US 2.2 engine, UK interior and JDM body (some AU versions has 1/2 JDM interior too)

By interior you mean RHD? Or what?

[malpaso]

just out of curiousity guys, what would be the equivalent model in the US compared to my 95 ZR in Australia? cause over here in my yr model i think we only have 2, one being the SX and the other being the ZR, i just want to do a comparison between the types

It's US 2.2 engine, UK interior and JDM body (some AU versions has 1/2 JDM interior too)

By interior you mean RHD? Or what?

yes RHD like JDM are, but with non-JDM climate controls... so I should also say "Euro interior with RHD"

This post has been edited by malpaso: Dec 6, 2006 - 2:44 AM

[giang723]

woot, that means i've partially hav a JDM thanks for the input guys