4th gen 3SGTE Swap into '94 Celica ST, With auto/manual conversion, FMIC, etc, etc, etc... Options

[Valo666]

holy crap!..i want how much power does a 4th gen produce compaired to a 3rd gen??/is the 4th gen the same 3s out of a Calidna??

[devilsden97]

holy crap!..i want how much power does a 4th gen produce compaired to a 3rd gen??/is the 4th gen the same 3s out of a Calidna??

yes the 4th gen is out of the caldina, and its drops 255hp (i donno wheel hp)

[Kadett]

260bhp vs 242-255bhp for the 3rd gen.

What I still dont understand is why they went back for air-air intercooler.

[easternpiro1]

hey, what'd u add the little brake booster for? matt dont need 2 brake pedals

as usual very nice work by Dr. Tweak

and congrats matt, i know you'll enjoy it

is that what that was in the first pic? a brake booster eh? hmmm whats that for?

holy crap!..i want how much power does a 4th gen produce compaired to a 3rd gen??/is the 4th gen the same 3s out of a Calidna??

ive been told its 260 hp but im thinking that its at the wheels. in another post i had, someone showed the dyno chart for a 4th gen and it said 232 whp but it was only at 11psi, stock psi is 14! which means about 10hp per pound? which is right around 260whp

someone correct me if im wrong?

[lagos]

its 260 at the crank ... but that really means nothing because all that changes as soon as you start to mod the motor up.

the 2nd gen 3sgte is rated at something like 220hp, but almost every one with a swap is at around 260crank with basic bolt ons anyway.

go to a dyno when your car is running. then youll fiind out for sure were you are at with the mods you have added to it (fmic, exhaust, etc).

[easternpiro1]

is that with a 3s flywheel? because i think it has a 5s flywheel on there, power transfer may be different?

[playr158]

like i told you ealier...get rid of that 5sfe fly wheel and tell tweek to put on a 3sgte flywheel

i believe the proper combination is

3s Flywheel and disk
with a 3s pressure plate iwth 5sfe splines

DO IT RIGHT

[Bitter]

a large air to air is better for the rally enviroment because the car is always moving and the heat wont soak back into the intake charge, unlike stop and go. when you're off boost the heat soaked into the IC can flow back into your intake charge which is now cooler than the IC is, this applies to both water and air intercoolers. if you have an air-water you have to be able to move ALOT of heat out of the system through large radiators with alot of water flow to keep the heat soaked system from being hotter than the off boost or low boost intake charge. if its air to air then you'd need a massive FMIC or a pair of sidemounts and even a front mount, but with all that you get pressure drops and more possible leaks. also theres the durability aspect, an air-air IC doesnt have moving parts, where as water-air has a pump and fans.

[lagos]

is that with a 3s flywheel? because i think it has a 5s flywheel on there, power transfer may be different?

thats power at the crank . changing a flywheel wont give you more/less power and has nothing to do with power transfer.

[gt_driFFter]

lol three colors on your car (engine bay). Engine looks nice, it'll look a little weird sitting in a different color engine bay though lol. Congrats though!

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

like i told you ealier...get rid of that 5sfe fly wheel and tell tweek to put on a 3sgte flywheel

i believe the proper combination is

3s Flywheel and disk
with a 3s pressure plate iwth 5sfe splines

DO IT RIGHT

The pressure plate doesn't have splines Dan, the clutch disk does. I would think the correct setup would be using a 3SGTE flywheel(to bolt up to the engine properly), 5SFE disk (to match the S54's splines, if thats the trans you use) and 3SGTE pressure plate. Then I believe you shall be doing it right.

Good luck easternpiro, thats going to be a very fast and fun car once you get it back.

[Dr_Tweak]

like i told you ealier...get rid of that 5sfe fly wheel and tell tweek to put on a 3sgte flywheel

i believe the proper combination is

3s Flywheel and disk
with a 3s pressure plate iwth 5sfe splines

DO IT RIGHT

Please don't post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

The combo that most people use is, 3S flywheel, 3S pressure plate, and either a 5S disc or a 3S disc splined for the 5S. Since the only company that makes the 5s splined 3s disc is SPEC, and they haven't been doing that well for us lately, and we have a 5S flywheel (which bolts to the 3S perfectly), the logical solution is to use a high performance 5S clutch kit. This will also simplify things down the road if and when the clutch needs to be replaced again.

By the way, the difference in the total outside diameter between the 5S and 3S clutch discs is barely 1/4". The whole issue of using a 3S disc is highly overrated. I'm actually considering using the 5S flywheel and a good stage 2 or stage 3 clutch kit on ALL my swaps from now on.

-Doc

[jgreening]

like i told you ealier...get rid of that 5sfe fly wheel and tell tweek to put on a 3sgte flywheel

i believe the proper combination is

3s Flywheel and disk
with a 3s pressure plate iwth 5sfe splines

DO IT RIGHT

Please don't post when you have no idea what you're talking about.

The combo that most people use is, 3S flywheel, 3S pressure plate, and either a 5S disc or a 3S disc splined for the 5S. Since the only company that makes the 5s splined 3s disc is SPEC, and they haven't been doing that well for us lately, and we have a 5S flywheel (which bolts to the 3S perfectly), the logical solution is to use a high performance 5S clutch kit. This will also simplify things down the road if and when the clutch needs to be replaced again.

By the way, the difference in the total outside diameter between the 5S and 3S clutch discs is barely 1/4". The whole issue of using a 3S disc is highly overrated. I'm actually considering using the 5S flywheel and a good stage 2 or stage 3 clutch kit on ALL my swaps from now on.

-Doc

wisdom. well said.

[phattyduck]

Oh, the memories!!



Gotta love wiring!

-Charlie

[easternpiro1]

lol three colors on your car (engine bay). Engine looks nice, it'll look a little weird sitting in a different color engine bay though lol. Congrats though!

yeah, i left the engine bay alone...but imma ghetto rig the inside of the hood later

yeah, that wiring looks like a beast! it looked pretty cut and dry when tweak showed me the plugs from the 3s...but JEEZ! it looked like my car vomited a rainbow!

[sinner96ST]

yeah that wiring looks intimidating.

keep up the good work, tweak. i think your swaps pretty much speak for themselves, everyone seems to be a satisfied customer!

[playr158]

like i told you ealier...get rid of that 5sfe fly wheel and tell tweek to put on a 3sgte flywheel

i believe the proper combination is

3s Flywheel and disk
with a 3s pressure plate iwth 5sfe splines

DO IT RIGHT

The pressure plate doesn't have splines Dan, the clutch disk does. I would think the correct setup would be using a 3SGTE flywheel(to bolt up to the engine properly), 5SFE disk (to match the S54's splines, if thats the trans you use) and 3SGTE pressure plate. Then I believe you shall be doing it right.

Good luck easternpiro, thats going to be a very fast and fun car once you get it back.

yea thanks corey it was late at night i just miss typed the wording blah!

hey tweek kiss my ass it was a miss type, i know perfectly well wtf i'm saying:)

[easternpiro1]

fellas...please be nice.....

[celicast3sgte]

miss type or not you still dont know what your talking about. specialize in swaps or do numerous different ones THEN talk. honestly dont get all defensive when you made a mistake. except it.

BTW, i run 5s stuff as well CF dual friction baby!!!!!

[playr158]

i already excepted the mistake..
and i know exactly what i'm talking about when it comes to clutches..and who said i've never swapped a 3sgte into a few celicas b4 and done trannies?

yea exactly you don't know

but get back to topic...sorry matt

hows your ride comin along

This post has been edited by playr158: Sep 18, 2006 - 7:22 PM