Which Would You Rather Own?, Stock Boosted Cars Options

[hitcachi]

I believe mitsu's were no longer DSM's in 95, or 96. Not sure which one.

[boosted_K2]

reguardless im sick of so much misinformation going around on the board... and as far as DSMs being imported to japan this is the first ive heard of that, do you know what the production number was that was sent over there? or was it more of a private endevor?

[creamed_corn]

I nulled my vote.

Give me some real choices

[MaskedMan]

Are 3000GT's/GTO and Stealths considered DSM? or is it just an Eclipse, Talon, Lazer thing? What about the Starion, Conquest, and Daytona?

[lagos]

DSM = Diamond/Star Motors

this means that chrystler and mitsu teamed up to make the eclips/talon/laser. those are the only DSM's

This post has been edited by lagos: Sep 18, 2006 - 7:10 PM

[boosted_K2]

"The origins of Diamond-Star Motors can be traced back to 1970 when Chrysler Corporation took a 15% stake in Mitsubishi Motors, as part of MMC's strategy of exapansion through alliances with foreign partners. The US company began distributing Mitsubishis as Chrysler-, Dodge- and Plymouth-branded captive imports, a successful venture as the compacts met consumer demand for smaller and more fuel-efficient vehicles in the 1970s, filling a gap at the bottom of the Chrysler group's range.

By 1982, Chrysler was importing 110,000 Mitsubishis annually. However, a minor conflict was forming as the Japanese now wanted to sell directly through their own-branded dealerships. A voluntary import quota system was in place at this time, restricting the number of cars Japanese automakers could bring in to the US. As the Japanese company began to open its own branded dealerships to sell directly, every imported Cordia, Tredia and Starion sold by Mitsubishi had to be discounted from Chrysler's allocation."

"In order to circumvent this, the two partners officially incorporated Diamond-Star Motors in October 1985, and in April 1986 ground was broken on a 1.9 million square-foot (177,000m²) production facility in Normal, Illinois. The plant was completed in March 1988, with an annual capacity of 240,000 vehicles.

Initially, three models were produced at this facility. The Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser and Eagle Talon were smaller 2+2 sports cars on a new co-designed platform. Models subsequently produced during the next decade included the Mitsubishi Mirage / Eagle Summit, the Mitsubishi Galant, the Dodge Avenger / Chrysler Sebring, and the Dodge Stratus."

"Initially Diamond-Star Motors was a 50/50 joint venture between Chrysler and Mitsubishi. However, in 1991 the Japanese company purchased its partner's equity stake, and thereafter the manufacture of Chrysler vehicles was on a contractual basis. Chrysler sold its equity stake in Mitsubishi in 1993, and Diamond-Star Motors was renamed to Mitsubishi Motors Manufacturing America (MMMA) on July 1, 1995.

Currently the plant produces vehicles using the American-developed Mitsubishi PS platform, including the current Endeavor, Galant and Eclipse. 1,900 people are employed as well as 1,000 robots. Expansion in 2003 means that it now occupies 2.4 million square-feet."


cliff notes for john and others:
1. the original "DSM"s could be considered the Cordia, Tredia and Starion, though "DSM" was not officially incorporated yet
2. DSM became incorporated in 85 and the DSM Plant opened in Illinios in 86. the official vehicles produced at the DSM Plant were; The Mitsubishi Eclipse, Plymouth Laser and Eagle Talon as well as Mitsubishi Mirage / Eagle Summit, the Mitsubishi Galant, the Dodge Avenger / Chrysler Sebring, and the Dodge Stratus. These could be considered "THE DSM VEHICLES" as they were the ones produced in the DSM plant.
3. "DSM" dissolved in 95 and the faucility was owned and operated exclusively by now "Mitsubishi Motors Manufacturing America"
4. The ex-DSM plant now produces the current model Endeavor, Galant and Eclipse.

[Mynzeyes]

You can't even spell "ignorant" correctly, and used the wrong form of "you're". Maybe you should end yourself. I'm much more useful to society. At least I can spell and use proper grammar.

[97sccelica]

i voted Evo, but i wouldnt get an MR.

i could go to south coast mitsu and pick up a new 2006 evo 9 for ~$28,500. in my book the evo beats out the STI because it is cheaper, handles better, looks better, and its faster and gains more power mod for mod.

i have driven a MS6. its ok. STI's and EVO's feel a lot faster. also from what i have heard they have cooling problems which lead to vastly inconsistant performance.

GM used to be the largest shareholder of subaru. they have since liquidated most of their subaru stock. toyota picked up a lot of the shares and now toyota is the biggest share holder.

[TomPoz]

Definitely Mitsu.
New Impreza's front bumper looks like Spanish Seat, it lost it's individual cut.
Mazda, well... I have never been into Mazdas. Too girly.

[saleeka]

reguardless im sick of so much misinformation going around on the board... and as far as DSMs being imported to japan this is the first ive heard of that, do you know what the production number was that was sent over there? or was it more of a private endevor?

I'll link you up to a russian website that has a decent amount of info on JDM market models in terms of chassis codes, trim levels, and engine data. From what I know about the Eclipse in Japan, all were left hand drive, and officially imported by Mitsubishi. First Gens were either the DOHC GS or the GSR 4 (like our GSX). Second gens were unique to japan in that they had no trim level but all had the Turbo 4G with 220 PS and FWD. The second gen was marketed above the FTO at this point, a kind of bridge between that car and the GTO. Both first and second gens have amber rear turn signals, and fender mounted side marker lights. Also, I've seen JDM sales brochures for the second and third generation eclipse spyders, but I have never been able to track down any solid information on them, so they might not have been imported via Mitsubishi Motors Japan... Thats the extend of what I personally know about the cars...

Japanese Eclipse Info

[boosted_K2]

ahh i read your post wrong. thats interesting... the reason i was skeptical is because japans policy on imported vehicles... basically they dont do it, this case is a bit odd.

[saleeka]

/\ ahh n/m.

This post has been edited by saleeka: Sep 19, 2006 - 1:40 PM

[hitcachi]

New Impreza's front bumper looks like Spanish Seat, it lost it's individual cut.

Its no more. Thank God.
http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384...4-21822,00.html

[Bitter]

mazda speed mazda6i

direct fuel injection > port fuel injection.

[Bitter]

reguardless im sick of so much misinformation going around on the board... and as far as DSMs being imported to japan this is the first ive heard of that, do you know what the production number was that was sent over there? or was it more of a private endevor?

I'll link you up to a russian website that has a decent amount of info on JDM market models in terms of chassis codes, trim levels, and engine data. From what I know about the Eclipse in Japan, all were left hand drive, and officially imported by Mitsubishi. First Gens were either the DOHC GS or the GSR 4 (like our GSX). Second gens were unique to japan in that they had no trim level but all had the Turbo 4G with 220 PS and FWD. The second gen was marketed above the FTO at this point, a kind of bridge between that car and the GTO. Both first and second gens have amber rear turn signals, and fender mounted side marker lights. Also, I've seen JDM sales brochures for the second and third generation eclipse spyders, but I have never been able to track down any solid information on them, so they might not have been imported via Mitsubishi Motors Japan... Thats the extend of what I personally know about the cars...

Japanese Eclipse Info

some 3rd gen eclipses were imported, I WAS AT THE FACTORY the day they were taking some PR shots for the Japanese release. they were taking over about 500 of them and coverting them to RHD and adding some shownogo mods to make them look pretty. they were planning on selling them way above MSRP because they would be the only 500 3rd gens in the country. who knows what really became of it, but the japanese guys snapping pics were drooling over some of the cars. i was talking to the MMNA japanese liasion, which is how i came to learn this, i think his name was Bob Ford, but i dont know if he still works for mitsu, they cut and hire pretty regularly.

[creamed_corn]

How could anyone on this board care about DSM's enough to carry on a debate this long.

This should've ended at "DSM's are gay" with everyone agreeing and the topic at hand carrying on.

[95sweetness]

How could anyone on this board care about DSM's enough to carry on a debate this long.

This should've ended at "DSM's are gay" with everyone agreeing and the topic at hand carrying on.

that is a verry ignorant post....he is asking which car to get..so we are putting our views into things and helping him decide which should be his next car...how bout you stay out of it and dont fill this section with that bs

[Bitter]

3rd gen was in no way a DSM

[creamed_corn]

How could anyone on this board care about DSM's enough to carry on a debate this long.

This should've ended at "DSM's are gay" with everyone agreeing and the topic at hand carrying on.

that is a verry ignorant post....he is asking which car to get..so we are putting our views into things and helping him decide which should be his next car...how bout you stay out of it and dont fill this section with that bs

Uh, no he's not. He's asking which one we would choose. Go re-read. That and I bet that there's only maybe a dozen people on this board that could afford any of those cars (much less insure them).

[sinner96ST]

Evo, simply because you don't see as many of them on the road as the STI's.

All this talk about price, modding, etc... doesn't matter to me, I see at least a *dozen* wrx's on the road for every 10 miles that I'm driving. This doesn't make them any less of a decent car, but I'd like to have something fairly unique & rare.

And yeah, stop arguing about DSM's & whatnot, the argument is pointless, unless you're planning on purchasing a Talon or an Eclipse.