4age swap, would like info on complete 7afe - 4age swap please Options

[jason]

Hello everyone, i am planning to swap my 7afe for a 4age, everything on this site has been more than helpful!!

I am trying to get together a shopping list of everything that i would need

http://www.japanmotorimport.com/inventory_...php?EngineID=34

starting from there, any help as far as parts, and little tid bits would be helpful.

have a lift & a **** load of tools

if somene could write a generic, yet detailed how to for this to help me get started id be forever thankful!



why the 4age? i want a semi fast, inexpensive (but not cheap) RELIABLE engine
big hp numbers are nice, but im looking to spend <2-3 grand for this & have money left over to restore my car elsewhere (small dents, slight scratches, small rust spots in fenders/corner of my driver door from rubbing)

ive been back n forth most all over dr tweaks site he dropped the one in that wagon so not sure if anyone can do a write up that i can start from


on a side note, if/when i ever get around to starting this thing i plan to document so people down the road can learn from my experiance

thank you to everyone in this community in advance in helping to point me in the right direction!!!

[ExSane]

There are alot of people here that can tell you what you need and need to do. But becuz it's a swap, there is many things that are needed to be writen. I've never done a swap so Im just gonna suggest a few names here for you so if you have any questions, you could contact them. Coomer, niK, Kwanza26, and Xpander.

[jason]

thanks ive doen some more lookin around my main issues is how straightforward the trans goes in as well as the mounts as well as the electronis at this point. any one have any suggestions?

[quicknstyle]

write up foo! i would suggest doing a write up on the progress for us id like to see more people getting into the swap...

[netrata]

To get the motor in/out without the tranny being an issue you can either remove the radiator and all things connected to the 7afe, remove the center crossmember from under the car, unbolt the engine mounts and raise the car with the lift so you can pull the engine right out from underneath. Or you can do what I did, again remove the radiator, remove all things connected to the 7afe, unbolt the the motor mounts, and this time have the hood removed and using the engine hoist to remove the 7afe and putting in the 4age. You will have to get the engine's at an angle in order to get the tranny to clear the driver side wheel well area. PM me if you need more info, I don't want to make my posting longer than it already is. I have the swap in my celica and would be more then glad to help out as much as I can.

This post has been edited by netrata: Oct 7, 2006 - 5:06 PM

[jason]

thanks netrata my main concern now are axles with that engine from the link above & how the power steering will mesh in with what i have i dunno im still researching but its looking very likely it shouldnt be too much of a problem =)

[netrata]

thanks netrata my main concern now are axles with that engine from the link above & how the power steering will mesh in with what i have i dunno im still researching but its looking very likely it shouldnt be too much of a problem =)

That website you are looking to by the 20v 4age from is the same place I got mines. Be prepared though, you will more than likely have a cut harness, cut axles, missing AFM, cut metal piping that connects to the p/s pump, as well as on the a/c compressor. So those two parts will have to be custom made in order for you to use the p/s and the a/c (bring the cutted piping to an autoparts store and make sure to measure the engine bay for in order to get the length of high pressure hose's you will need for both the p/s and a/c. You will also need a external p/s reservoir for the p/s. Any toyota external p/s reservoir will do just as long as the the hoses will fit over the 2 nipples on the reservoir (make sure to get one with a mounting bracket). You can use the same axles you have on the 7afe, but you will need to take out the short axle from the 20v. The 20v has a bracket that holds the short axle to the block itself, so just remove it and install the axles the same way it's installed on the 7afe. Just in case you may need it, ebay will be the best bet to get some of the parts you will need like new cap and rotor, complete wiring harness, afm and so forth. An ignition coil from a MR2 turbo (sw20) will work to replace the ign. coil, a ignitor from a Toyota T100 will work, a waterpump from a old model mr2 waterpump will work, and the AFM from a 1989-1991 4-cylinder camry will work. I've done my research on most of the interchangeable parts for the 20v using usdm parts from other cars so you can trust me on this. Also if you need to, register yourself on the club4ag website. And ignore those people that just flame you with wise remarks, most of them don't even know what there talking about. Some of them will give you valuable information regarding parts and the swap.

This post has been edited by netrata: Oct 8, 2006 - 5:32 PM

[jason]

thank you a million, i was worried about periferal parts, im about 95% sure i wanan go ahead n do this =) thank you everyone for all your help!!

[soulshadow]

I found this to be very easy when removing the engine with Tranny that it makes me want to laugh cause I had such a hard time the first time I did it.

After you have removed everything from the front of the engine (wiring ect) and taken all the bolts that holds the mount onto the chasis, remove the tranny motor mount off of the tranny itself on the driver side and slide the engine a little ways towards yourself, then using a leveler raise it so that the side towards the pass goes up a little ways and then jack up the engine. This way it doesn't hook anything get caught or cause problems.

It was so simple I felt stupid after taking out my engine.

[FallenHero]

search, I have Many Many posts dealing with this idea.

[jason]

im goin ahead with it =) either a 3sgte or the 4age i dont know which i want yet!!! i have plans on finding a nice block and basically reman the damn thing so its like brand new then. contemplating some bujet issues n how crazy i wanna go with body work. any progress will be posted in great detaisl i have been doing SOOOOO much research on this crap everyone is awesome whos helped!!! thanks so much!!!!!!

[95CelicaST]

a lot of 4A guys build hybrid 7AGE engines. They like the 7A bottom end better because of the longer stroke the 7A makes in comparison to the 4A. Basically they bolt on a 4A head to a 7A block and use a Porsche 944 timing belt. Thats what I am looking into and is more cost efficient, since you only need a head, 4A ECU, intake manifold and other little things. No need to pull an engine or mess with much wiring.

[n1ckz0r]

would a 4afe intake manifold fit on a 7afe? or is that part of the conversion?

[Kwanza26]

would a 4afe intake manifold fit on a 7afe? or is that part of the conversion?

Nothing to do with this...