I admit it, I'm the ricer Options

[BLADDER_MASTER]

So, I went to the norcal JDM theory meet. I was one of 2 6gcs there, but if anyone goes on any other car forums, particularly evo forums, you'll probably hear about some "dumbass ricer in a celica"

coming off the freeway onramp only a matter of blocks away, I was trying to keep up with the EVO in front of me who was going pretty damn fast. well, somewhere around 60-70 mph on this 35mph offramp my car car lost traction and I started sliding FF drift style. now, all of a sudden the weight transfer throws my car in the total opposite direction, the car jumps over a curb, and according to my friend driving behind me, all four wheels were over a foot of the ground at one point. I flew over the small dirt embankment (a good 3ft drop.) and was now going the wrong way on a one way onramp... lucky for me there were no other cars coming that direction. anyway, I pulled over in a parking lot to examine the damage. honestly, there is some scratches on my front bumper, and the center crossmember is pretty scratched, other than that, no damage. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I was also the laughing stock of the entire show. but I'm alive, and my car is alive. and I think I'm going to start driving more careful now.

the end. go ahead. criticize me, I deserve it.

I wouldn't call you a ricer for doing something like that. I ain't no expert, but from what it sounds like, in the middle of your traction-loss, you counter-steered way too much. It lead to your car snapping back at you the other way around when your tires caught grip again. Similar situation happened to me once, but I was in an on-ramp going up in the rain with crappy tires. Luckily I didn't crash. Anywho, the fact that your car is FWD isn't the main issue. It's mostly about your tires. Give any car crappy tires, whether it be FWD, RWD, or AWD. Run the ramp at that speed and you'll be asking for disaster.

Edit: Forgot to mention this, driver experience also plays a major roll. No offense, but if you were a highly experience driver, you wouldn't have taken that turn @ that speed.

Also, I disagree with sinner96ST's statement about "they're always going to handle like ****, because they're FWD cars." A properly built FWD with a good driver can prove you wrong.

This post has been edited by BLADDER_MASTER: Nov 8, 2006 - 2:22 AM

[ra65_22re]

yea the samething happened to me in my RWD 84 celi. it was fun i found a pic. i ended up sliding the back end out and into a ditch. but since then i got some new rubber and this hasnt happened to me yet.

[6strngs]

So, I went to the norcal JDM theory meet. I was one of 2 6gcs there, but if anyone goes on any other car forums, particularly evo forums, you'll probably hear about some "dumbass ricer in a celica"

coming off the freeway onramp only a matter of blocks away, I was trying to keep up with the EVO in front of me who was going pretty damn fast. well, somewhere around 60-70 mph on this 35mph offramp my car car lost traction and I started sliding FF drift style. now, all of a sudden the weight transfer throws my car in the total opposite direction, the car jumps over a curb, and according to my friend driving behind me, all four wheels were over a foot of the ground at one point. I flew over the small dirt embankment (a good 3ft drop.) and was now going the wrong way on a one way onramp... lucky for me there were no other cars coming that direction. anyway, I pulled over in a parking lot to examine the damage. honestly, there is some scratches on my front bumper, and the center crossmember is pretty scratched, other than that, no damage. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I was also the laughing stock of the entire show. but I'm alive, and my car is alive. and I think I'm going to start driving more careful now.

the end. go ahead. criticize me, I deserve it.

I wouldn't call you a ricer for doing something like that. I ain't no expert, but from what it sounds like, in the middle of your traction-loss, you counter-steered way too much. It lead to your car snapping back at you the other way around when your tires caught grip again. Similar situation happened to me once, but I was in an on-ramp going up in the rain with crappy tires. Luckily I didn't crash. Anywho, the fact that your car is FWD isn't the main issue. It's mostly about your tires. Give any car crappy tires, whether it be FWD, RWD, or AWD. Run the ramp at that speed and you'll be asking for disaster.

Edit: Forgot to mention this, driver experience also plays a major roll. No offense, but if you were a highly experience driver, you wouldn't have taken that turn @ that speed.

Also, I disagree with sinner96ST's statement about "they're always going to handle like ****, because they're FWD cars." A properly built FWD with a good driver can prove you wrong.

yeah, I'm pretty sure you are right about the countersteering. I'm pretty sure that if I had just let the gas off (but not pushed the brake) and not tried to steer at all, my car would have regained traction and I could have straightened out. that's what I think anyway. I played Forza for like an hour last night using only FF cars and I tried making them lose traction by taking corners real tight. if I countersteered, they jerked like my car did. if I didn't countersteer and keep on the gas, they just understeer and keep sliding sideways. but if I didn't countersteer, and released the throttle until they straightened out, then come back in on the throttle, they were able to take turns really well. so I think I can use this opportunity to improve my driving skills should something like this ever happen again.

I dunno if my tires are that crappy. they are BF goodrich tires, they're like V-rated all-season tires. cost me like $100 each and they're about six months old... I don't know much about tires so I don't know if they are crappy or not. I'm gonna get some really good ones when I get some new rims eventually.

[sinner96ST]

Also, I disagree with sinner96ST's statement about "they're always going to handle like ****, because they're FWD cars." A properly built FWD with a good driver can prove you wrong.

properly built sure, i should have modified my statement to :

stock, mind you, if you pit any FWD car against any rear wheel, or all wheel drive car, you will lose. because of the design, they do not handle as well in extreme conditions as some of their other counterparts.

if you're talking about a built FWD platform, sure, you might be able to hang with the big boys. however, dump the same amount of money in to an awd/rwd car, and then we'll see which handles better at that point, and which can handle power better to the ground, which is a vital part of the handling of any car. you can't dump 300 horses in a FF car and expect great results in the straights or the twisties.

fwd isn't really known for it's prowess in handling. it's an economical design thought up by engineers who wanted to put all their eggs in one basket. you can put all the money in the world in to a FF car, and it still won't transfer weight evenly, won't handle as well, and won't be able to handle as much power as a rwd or awd car.

[sinner96ST]

http://www.slate.com/id/2081194

is a decent article, it brings up a lot of the points i'm trying to make.

it's a good read.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Also, I disagree with sinner96ST's statement about "they're always going to handle like ****, because they're FWD cars." A properly built FWD with a good driver can prove you wrong.

properly built sure, i should have modified my statement to :

stock, mind you, if you pit any FWD car against any rear wheel, or all wheel drive car, you will lose. because of the design, they do not handle as well in extreme conditions as some of their other counterparts.

So untrue. How would you explain ITR's and CTR's pwning RWD and AWD cars? I'm talking stock with equal driver experience on both sides. It's like saying a stock 240SX can beat an Integra Type R. Sorry but I just had to laugh.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

So, I went to the norcal JDM theory meet. I was one of 2 6gcs there, but if anyone goes on any other car forums, particularly evo forums, you'll probably hear about some "dumbass ricer in a celica"

coming off the freeway onramp only a matter of blocks away, I was trying to keep up with the EVO in front of me who was going pretty damn fast. well, somewhere around 60-70 mph on this 35mph offramp my car car lost traction and I started sliding FF drift style. now, all of a sudden the weight transfer throws my car in the total opposite direction, the car jumps over a curb, and according to my friend driving behind me, all four wheels were over a foot of the ground at one point. I flew over the small dirt embankment (a good 3ft drop.) and was now going the wrong way on a one way onramp... lucky for me there were no other cars coming that direction. anyway, I pulled over in a parking lot to examine the damage. honestly, there is some scratches on my front bumper, and the center crossmember is pretty scratched, other than that, no damage. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I was also the laughing stock of the entire show. but I'm alive, and my car is alive. and I think I'm going to start driving more careful now.

the end. go ahead. criticize me, I deserve it.

I wouldn't call you a ricer for doing something like that. I ain't no expert, but from what it sounds like, in the middle of your traction-loss, you counter-steered way too much. It lead to your car snapping back at you the other way around when your tires caught grip again. Similar situation happened to me once, but I was in an on-ramp going up in the rain with crappy tires. Luckily I didn't crash. Anywho, the fact that your car is FWD isn't the main issue. It's mostly about your tires. Give any car crappy tires, whether it be FWD, RWD, or AWD. Run the ramp at that speed and you'll be asking for disaster.

Edit: Forgot to mention this, driver experience also plays a major roll. No offense, but if you were a highly experience driver, you wouldn't have taken that turn @ that speed.

Also, I disagree with sinner96ST's statement about "they're always going to handle like ****, because they're FWD cars." A properly built FWD with a good driver can prove you wrong.

yeah, I'm pretty sure you are right about the countersteering. I'm pretty sure that if I had just let the gas off (but not pushed the brake) and not tried to steer at all, my car would have regained traction and I could have straightened out. that's what I think anyway. I played Forza for like an hour last night using only FF cars and I tried making them lose traction by taking corners real tight. if I countersteered, they jerked like my car did. if I didn't countersteer and keep on the gas, they just understeer and keep sliding sideways. but if I didn't countersteer, and released the throttle until they straightened out, then come back in on the throttle, they were able to take turns really well. so I think I can use this opportunity to improve my driving skills should something like this ever happen again.

I dunno if my tires are that crappy. they are BF goodrich tires, they're like V-rated all-season tires. cost me like $100 each and they're about six months old... I don't know much about tires so I don't know if they are crappy or not. I'm gonna get some really good ones when I get some new rims eventually.

Video game can't simulate all the different driving conditions we live on. I highly suggest you don't make any final conclusions on how a car will react based on a video game. While it may be true in some cases, in other cases it won't be.

[eggman40]

Glad to hear you and your car are ok man. Not the brightest thing to do, but i think EVERYONE has had a scare at one point in their driving careers. But learn from it, and maybe do something to help prevent it in the future. Not to encourage more chasing of Evo's but more along the lines of, you never know when you might need to menuver out of the way of something, an accident, tire etc... Get better tires at the very least, make sure your brakes are well maintained. take it easy man

[6strngs]

Video game can't simulate all the different driving conditions we live on. I highly suggest you don't make any final conclusions on how a car will react based on a video game. While it may be true in some cases, in other cases it won't be.

obviously, but Forza has very realistic driving physics so I can at least deduce that it will at least be somewhat similar.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Video game can't simulate all the different driving conditions we live on. I highly suggest you don't make any final conclusions on how a car will react based on a video game. While it may be true in some cases, in other cases it won't be.

obviously, but Forza has very realistic driving physics so I can at least deduce that it will at least be somewhat similar.

Eh...you can go with that. Best way to know is to put yourself in that same situation again but in a wide open space. Sometimes I go out with my Celica and try stupid stuff to learn how the car will react. Of course I do this with no one around for me to crash into. Although one time I decided to hit the e-brake in the middle of a 3-lane road. I ended up sliding left sideways, then sliding right slideways, then spinning out facing the opposite way almost hitting the median in the process. Good thing no one was around.

[6strngs]

Video game can't simulate all the different driving conditions we live on. I highly suggest you don't make any final conclusions on how a car will react based on a video game. While it may be true in some cases, in other cases it won't be.

obviously, but Forza has very realistic driving physics so I can at least deduce that it will at least be somewhat similar.

Eh...you can go with that. Best way to know is to put yourself in that same situation again but in a wide open space. Sometimes I go out with my Celica and try stupid stuff to learn how the car will react. Of course I do this with no one around for me to crash into. Although one time I decided to hit the e-brake in the middle of a 3-lane road. I ended up sliding left sideways, then sliding right slideways, then spinning out facing the opposite way almost hitting the median in the process. Good thing no one was around.

you're right. maybe the day before I get new tires I'll go slide around an empty parking lot for a while to learn how to control my car.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

Video game can't simulate all the different driving conditions we live on. I highly suggest you don't make any final conclusions on how a car will react based on a video game. While it may be true in some cases, in other cases it won't be.

obviously, but Forza has very realistic driving physics so I can at least deduce that it will at least be somewhat similar.

Eh...you can go with that. Best way to know is to put yourself in that same situation again but in a wide open space. Sometimes I go out with my Celica and try stupid stuff to learn how the car will react. Of course I do this with no one around for me to crash into. Although one time I decided to hit the e-brake in the middle of a 3-lane road. I ended up sliding left sideways, then sliding right slideways, then spinning out facing the opposite way almost hitting the median in the process. Good thing no one was around.

you're right. maybe the day before I get new tires I'll go slide around an empty parking lot for a while to learn how to control my car.

Just be very careful and make sure no one is around. I cannot stress that enough. I don't want to see you make a new topic saying, "I got caught sliding in a parking lot by the cops".

[6strngs]

Video game can't simulate all the different driving conditions we live on. I highly suggest you don't make any final conclusions on how a car will react based on a video game. While it may be true in some cases, in other cases it won't be.

obviously, but Forza has very realistic driving physics so I can at least deduce that it will at least be somewhat similar.

Eh...you can go with that. Best way to know is to put yourself in that same situation again but in a wide open space. Sometimes I go out with my Celica and try stupid stuff to learn how the car will react. Of course I do this with no one around for me to crash into. Although one time I decided to hit the e-brake in the middle of a 3-lane road. I ended up sliding left sideways, then sliding right slideways, then spinning out facing the opposite way almost hitting the median in the process. Good thing no one was around.

you're right. maybe the day before I get new tires I'll go slide around an empty parking lot for a while to learn how to control my car.

Just be very careful and make sure no one is around. I cannot stress that enough. I don't want to see you make a new topic saying, "I got caught sliding in a parking lot by the cops".

not like they could do anything, most parking lots are private property. so unless the owners call the cops on me, I don't see that happening... but I'll make sure it's a secluded parking lot away from people. like business parking lots on a weekend or something. I dunno, but I'll be sure no one is around.

[bowtiestang]

tell me you didnt show up to the meet after that?
ya that stinks, but im glad it didnt turn out to bad.

yeah, I went to the meet after that... where the guy in the evo I was following just laughed at me, then went on to tell other people, and it spread like wildfire and everyone there was talking about it and I just overheard bits and pieces like "dumbass ricer in a celica..." I didn't stay long though. there wasn't much interesting to see. just a bunch of S2000s and 7th gen celicas mostly.

oh, and for the record I wasn't trying to race the evo, he was just driving pretty fast but not flooring it, so I tried to catch up (by flooring it...) If I had AWD like him, I probably wouldn't have had such a sudden loss of traction like I did.

Isnt S2000s, 7gs and evos all rice Forget about em ish happins.

[Kwanza26]

hahaha...

[OrbitalGT95]

So, I went to the norcal JDM theory meet. I was one of 2 6gcs there, but if anyone goes on any other car forums, particularly evo forums, you'll probably hear about some "dumbass ricer in a celica"

coming off the freeway onramp only a matter of blocks away, I was trying to keep up with the EVO in front of me who was going pretty damn fast. well, somewhere around 60-70 mph on this 35mph offramp my car car lost traction and I started sliding FF drift style. now, all of a sudden the weight transfer throws my car in the total opposite direction, the car jumps over a curb, and according to my friend driving behind me, all four wheels were over a foot of the ground at one point. I flew over the small dirt embankment (a good 3ft drop.) and was now going the wrong way on a one way onramp... lucky for me there were no other cars coming that direction. anyway, I pulled over in a parking lot to examine the damage. honestly, there is some scratches on my front bumper, and the center crossmember is pretty scratched, other than that, no damage. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I was also the laughing stock of the entire show. but I'm alive, and my car is alive. and I think I'm going to start driving more careful now.

the end. go ahead. criticize me, I deserve it.

dont worry about it, most of us have been there before, and if no one says they haven't they are lying to themselves...u live and learn

[neoklis]

Just saw this on Ford and I thought it would be nice to have a sticker. It says


"2 Slow , 2 Furious" or Too slow, too furious for anyone that did not get it the first time.


Trying to catch up with any kind of car that was built completely differently is always a no-no. The reason is that you try to "follow the leader" but the car in front of you reacts differently to different circumastances. Therefore, for example the car in front may be able to take a turn at 50 but your car may go off the road at 35 on the same turn.

[Griff]

man, i do reccommend expending your tires before you get new ones.

learn how your car handles, what to do at certian points.

my point is most of us have had some close calls, and we handle them better the next time we are in the situation. it is good to see what exactly your car can do.

sweet story, i wish i had it on camera, i was going straight, and a lady was turning into me (probbally going 20-both of us, thru an intersection). i knew she was going to clip me, so i yanked the E-brake and threw the wheel left D-shifted and she missed me, i somehow pulled it out and continued through the intersection! haha

and i would have NEVER thought of that, or pulled it off if i hadnt wasted rubber messing around after work with my buddies on e-brake slides. i would have a big dent in my rear end and a lady feeling retarted.

what i would do to get a video of it.

ya, but definately if you can learn you car a little more, its educational and pretty fun.

[spolski07]

how come you compare a integra type r to a 240?
why not a base 240 to a base integra?
make even comparasions

[x_itchy_b_x]

i love this thread.