MR2 3sgte Options

[celica47]

with a 3rd gen mr2 clip, would GT motor mounts work? If not what will?

This post has been edited by celica47: Nov 8, 2006 - 9:43 PM

[InfamousChappy]

apparently nothing will.

buy an st185 clip.

[celica47]

i will if it comes to that, but i want that LSD and not have to hunt it down.

[6gsillyca]

Why a 3rd gen mr2 clip? Why not a 2nd gen mr2 clip, or a st205 clip/ 2nd gen tranny? I would think that the latter of the two options I posted would be easier (even though it would still be fairly difficult to find). Maybe im wrong, but I didnt think the 3rd gen spyder trannies would work in a 6gc anyways.

I know that a 2nd gen mr2 clip was used for my swapped celica. engine/tranny/lsd/HUGE grin!!

[celica47]

yeah thats tru, i dont know bro iam obessed with LSD, so i guess a 2nd gen with LSD can just as good.

[brianforster]

i mean correct me if im wrong but if a 3rd gen 3sgte from a celica would use gt motor mounts then so would a 3rd gen 3sgte from an mr2, its the same motor right? i assume like 2nd gen it just needs some accessories changed.

[celica47]

Yeah thats what i thinking... i figured essentially they are the same engines but have certain components located in diffrent areas.

[InfamousChappy]

That..and I assume that wiring harness is for an MR2..not a celica.

[celica47]

yeah either way the wiring harness has to be converted

[BBoYRuGGeD]

? ? ?

GT motor mounts will work with the (2nd/3rd gen) 3SGTE only if you use the GT tranny (S54). GT mounts wont work if your using mr2 tranny (E153). you will either have to use ST205 tranny mounts or somehow custom them. i've spoken to a few people who said mr2 turbo drivers side mount works (grinded down a lil) as well as the celica GT front mount...the rear i was told had to be customed.

bboy

[6gsillyca]

Isnt the tranny from a sw20 different than that of a spyder? I was under the impression that they were different, and in that case, would need even more fabrication to swap in

EDIT:

sw20 = e153
spyder=c65m

This post has been edited by 6gsillyca: Nov 9, 2006 - 3:22 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

By 3rd gen, we aren't talking about the MK3 MR2 are we? I'm assiuming "3rd gen MR2 clip" was referring to a 3rd gen 3SGTE clip from an MR2, which he would probably want for the E153 LSD trans as well as the 3rd gen 3SGTE motor.

If thats the case, you would be using the three GT mounts with your E153, and the rear mount you can either custom make a mount by welding a plate on the bracket and going from there which i've personally seen done, or you can use the ST205 rear mount and bracket. This is the best bolt-on solution, but will probably require a phonecall to Toysport or getting the parts numbers from Toyota and placing an order from a dealer that is able to get you the parts.

Otherwise, I believe that the only other things needed in using an MR2 clip would be that you would probably want to purchase an ST185 ECU and wiring harness, and you'd need to convert some of the linkage on the E153 to FWD use from an MR setup.

[celica47]

How sure are you about the s185 ECU and wiring harness?

[Kwanza26]

How sure are you about the s185 ECU and wiring harness?

just use the MR2 harness. You're gonna need to open it up anyway...

[Batman722]

the MR2s are a bit different... for example is the MR2 has the alternator on the opposite side of the motor, so to start you would need to fab a new bracket to put the alternator in the correct spot and re-route the harness to comply. Yes you will need to open the harness anyway but extra routing/lengthening of wires is a hassle whereas getting a celica st185 clip or a celica st205 clip would be much easier IMO

[celica47]

YEah this is true what you said batman, and i just read your post about LSD on another thread. Is there really any benefit to having it, like i have said before iam obessed with not having any torque steer.

[quicknstyle]

there is always benefit to lsd, however i think its all relative for desired power... many of us i think are happy under 300, which, if you have a good set up, torque steer becomes less of a problem... its all a traction issue, read up on the in the stickies section... of course lsd help, but i dont think its all that necessary on our cars, unless you want to get into the higher number range... power wise

[celica47]

yeah bro i have the read stickies, but none of the stickies for example the "MR2 short axle solution" or the sticky about traction issues never lays the answer in stone its always discussion and speculation.

[6gsillyca]

there is always benefit to lsd, however i think its all relative for desired power... many of us i think are happy under 300, which, if you have a good set up, torque steer becomes less of a problem... its all a traction issue, read up on the in the stickies section... of course lsd help, but i dont think its all that necessary on our cars, unless you want to get into the higher number range... power wise

Not always. My friend, whose doing up a 300zx is sitting at 404rwhp. He converted the tranny from an auto to a 5spd, but when he did he opted for one w/o a lsd. The way he set his suspension up, he had better acceleration from a stop w/o the lsd than when he had it in.

[celica47]

there is always benefit to lsd, however i think its all relative for desired power... many of us i think are happy under 300, which, if you have a good set up, torque steer becomes less of a problem... its all a traction issue, read up on the in the stickies section... of course lsd help, but i dont think its all that necessary on our cars, unless you want to get into the higher number range... power wise

Not always. My friend, whose doing up a 300zx is sitting at 404rwhp. He converted the tranny from an auto to a 5spd, but when he did he opted for one w/o a lsd. The way he set his suspension up, he had better acceleration from a stop w/o the lsd than when he had it in.

And this proves my point....