2AZFE? Options

[netrata]

This might be a little off topic but hey. I raced a friends Scion TC with TRD supercharger on a close road yesterday. I lost to him like 3 car lengths. Just thought id share.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

This might be a little off topic but hey. I raced a friends Scion TC with TRD supercharger on a close road yesterday. I lost to him like 3 car lengths. Just thought id share.

Yes, but with a 4age, you looked cooler loosing. lol, I just like the 4age for there potential and light weight. Depending on the length of the race, 3 car lengths isn't bad for about twice the hp advantage of the TC and just a few hundred pounds more.

[macavely]

My TC has 2azfe my gt has 5sfe.. an i have had the pleasure of tearing down an building both engines (2azfe no from my tc) .. so yes the 2az is a better engine just cause the technology.. an the extra .2 litters does help .. an having better engine management system

[Kwanza26]

Hehe... everything is technically "forged"... which is just a process of heating metal... but 'forged' as in not molded/cast from a master mold... no they aren't.

i think you have that backwards, a Forged piston is machined from a solid piece of metal, a cast one is cast to the rough shaped and then cut to specs. forged is stronger than cast because the structure of the metal is uniform throughout, theres not casting flow following edges of the pieces.

Forged

Refer to the bold word. To forge is to basically work hot metal (or even cold metal). When people say 'forged' internals, typically they refer to non-cast parts (forged by shaping)... however ALL engine parts undergo a forging process of heating and cooling to reduce brittleness and/or plasticity of a metal. All I'm saying is... 90% of stock internals are cast in mass... and are not shaped by a forging process... however they do undergo a heating/cooling process (also called forging) to gain the desired brittleness/plasticity. Such is the nature of iron alloys. Cast metals are typically not as strong because of casting flaws and because casting requires metal to become molten, but is easy to mass produce. Like I said before... it's easy to tell which parts are cast parts and which are 'forged' parts by looking at tool marks. This is HIGHLY HIGHLY misunderstood amongst the tuner crowd. 4AGZE pistons are often reffered to as factory forged pistons, when they are actually cast pistons with a heat resistant ceramic coating. 4AGZE rods too, are often reffered to as 'forged'... when they are cast rods identical to all 4AG rods on the 42mm crank (minus the blacktop 20V).

[uberschall]

perhaps we should start using the word machined to describe part of the process...

edit: nevermind

This post has been edited by uberschall: Nov 11, 2006 - 8:12 PM

[saleeka]

Toyota wouldn't just drasticly change things like that.

Yes they would. The S series motor's design development started in the early 80's... They aren't GM, you know...

[JesterDC]

who freaking cares about the definitioin of 'forged' and whether they'd just change things all of the sudden!!! This Topic has some serious potential, so "c'mon guuyys Keeap it Serial!"

[JoKeRkId613]

i dont think the last statement jdog made is true. the "az" is just the series of the motor.

whose jdog? I scrolled up looking for his name and I dont see it

r u serious? i meant jdg. sorry... i thought ud figure it out.

[jdg371]

i dont think the last statement jdog made is true. the "az" is just the series of the motor.

whose jdog? I scrolled up looking for his name and I dont see it

r u serious? i meant jdg. sorry... i thought ud figure it out.

I was bored out of my mind.. LOL

k back to the main topic

[pandakid]

yea i plan to drop 2azfe. it would be street legal in california.

[j0e_p3t]

let me know how you do that. i wanna swap in a couple years and i want it to be totally street legal.

[JoKeRkId613]

yea i plan to drop 2azfe. it would be street legal in california.

ure probably better off getting a tC or camry. for the $4000-$6000 it'll cost you for that swap, you might as well get a brand new car and there will be absolutely no bugs to worry about and everything else will be enw and ull have warranty.

[JesterDC]

yea i plan to drop 2azfe. it would be street legal in california.

ure probably better off getting a tC or camry. for the $4000-$6000 it'll cost you for that swap, you might as well get a brand new car and there will be absolutely no bugs to worry about and everything else will be enw and ull have warranty.

But what fun would that be for him?

Also I was thinking since the 2azfe and 5sfe are looking pretty similar, how hard do you think it'd be to fabricate the TC's TRD s/c kit up to our 5sfe's?

[JoKeRkId613]

very hard

[uberschall]

trust me, joker...if one could acquire a new car for 4-6k this discussion would not be taking place.

half of owning a 6gen in the first place is being different. i for one am sick of seeing b18 hondas, sr20 nissans, yadda yadda. soon enough, without some more initiative being taken to find new and creative swaps and power adders....we're all going to end up like ford vs. chevy: one debate for several decades.

some dude built a rwd v8 5th gen that someone posted a video of not too long ago. as long as people are willing to do the work, anything is possible.

i know somebody is going to argue that it's not a celica anymore, it's too hard, it's too expensive...well, to those people--shut up and make excuses for yourself, not for others.

as for the trd supercharger, it is too expensive. simply from the perspective that for 3 grand you could buy a whole clip that makes more horsepower right out of the chute. if you have 3 grand, you can get a burien turbo kit (iirc).

i want to know about this swap because i have found low mileage 2az's for decent prices...the most expensive i've seen so far was 1700. this is in the same range as many 3sgtes, but is much newer...lower miles, etc. and less initial work (no ic, no oil/water lines, no additional ems, the list goes on).

imo, the engine is a good candidate for a mild boost application (under 10 psi) without any serious bottom end mods, and provided it will bolt up to a s54 or e153...should be a relatively simple job except the electrical.

i am not a toyota expert, and have never worked on a tC. i'd just like to know if it will bolt to a gt trans, if the mounts line up, etc... i can't speak for everyone else, though.

This post has been edited by uberschall: Nov 13, 2006 - 12:24 AM

[pandakid]

the reason i rather get the swap is i can't let go of my celica, love it too much. do the motor mounts like up right or are the off alittle?

[playr158]

outta the box....but you guys are thinking what tranny can we bolt up to it E153/S54?~

why are you even thinking this question at the moment...Tc is FWD and a better tranny try and USE IT

[K-ESD]

why are you even thinking this question at the moment...Tc is FWD and a better tranny try and USE IT

The E-35X is indeed a better tranny but does it share the same mount locations as the E-153 and S54?
thats why the question remains, does the e-153 and s54 bolt up to the motor?

[macavely]

why are you even thinking this question at the moment...Tc is FWD and a better tranny try and USE IT

The E-35X is indeed a better tranny but does it share the same mount locations as the E-153 and S54?
thats why the question remains, does the e-153 and s54 bolt up to the motor?

NO

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

NO

I hate replies like this. At least try to explain what the "NO" is for. The mount locations, or the bolting up to the motor. And why won't it bolt up? Different housing, different shaft, different pattern on the flywheel? Don't be a dick, explain yourself.