3sgte AWD Conversion, Trying it anyway! Options

[Green_MachToy]

We've been waiting sooo long for you to update. I would like to be the first to say Thank you for remembering about how badly we wanted to see how this thing turned out. Well, get'r done and post vids.

Again sorry fo rthe delay. I was successful in getting the new turbo on with new FMIC. I will work on the wastegate and the downpipe tomorrow and see if ican get it to run. If I do I will post the clip with the leaking seal just to show everyone! Here is a bad shot, but a shot none the less.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/19802348@N02/...in/photostream/


If I can help answer questions I will certain try.

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

yea the guy who did this thread, greenmachtoy, pm him i think he will get back to you

Thanks again bro

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 10, 2008 - 1:05 AM

[6strngs]

so, how much have you spent on the AWD stuff so far? not including the 3sgte, bigger turbo, FMIC, etc. just the AWD swap stuff.

[Green_MachToy]

I got all the parts for just under $2k....that was everything from the tank to calipers. Only things I didn't get was the sway bars(in Europe I believe the call them Anti-roll bars). I cut a re-welded mine to fit the use for now. THis is an item I must replace before I do any real hard driving. The reason I made a point to mention the difference in the name is because I have had better luck getting used parts from over there than I have in Japan. In Europe, they seem to be parting (breaking) them, one every week. The $2k was including shipping. I would suggest you pay the extra for a fuel cell rather than go with a stock tank. It will save you the cutting of the trunk, major welding, re-build, adjusting the fill neck....etc.

I am still working on trying to figure out the wiring through the Fuel relay to have the high speed in the stock pump kick in under boost. I should have addressed this during the initial engine swap but didn't realize the second stage was not wired up correctly. I have basically all the power requirements to the relay, but none of the inputs from the ECU and nothing back to the pump itself (other than the stock ST wiring being used as low speed). Can anyone assist with this?

so, how much have you spent on the AWD stuff so far? not including the 3sgte, bigger turbo, FMIC, etc. just the AWD swap stuff.

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 10, 2008 - 11:54 AM

[Green_MachToy]

I have probably spent around that on all the work I have done to the car so far. Your question was the AWD portion. Because I have done it in stages and am doing it myself, there are pluses and minus to it. Plus - I saved money on labor. Minus - I am re-doing things I had done before....struts being one. I have made mistakes and had to re-do things. THe list goes on. The $5+k was a friend of mine giving me a price to do things out of his garage. I am sure if you go somewhere else, it would run you more.

5K? wow! a lot less than I expected! I always assumed that a full AWD conversion would cost like 20K+

[Punch]

now you should make kits for the rest of us so we can go awd!
sell the kit to has sport or TRD and get rich $$$

Keep up the good work...

[GriffGirl]

I got all the parts for just under $2k....that was everything from the tank to calipers. Only things I didn't get was the sway bars(in Europe I believe the call them Anti-roll bars). I cut a re-welded mine to fit the use for now. THis is an item I must replace before I do any real hard driving. The reason I made a point to mention the difference in the name is because I have had better luck getting used parts from over there than I have in Japan. In Europe, they seem to be parting (breaking) them, one every week. The $2k was including shipping. I would suggest you pay the extra for a fuel cell rather than go with a stock tank. It will save you the cutting of the trunk, major welding, re-build, adjusting the fill neck....etc.

I am still working on trying to figure out the wiring through the Fuel relay to have the high speed in the stock pump kick in under boost. I should have addressed this during the initial engine swap but didn't realize the second stage was not wired up correctly. I have basically all the power requirements to the relay, but none of the inputs from the ECU and nothing back to the pump itself (other than the stock ST wiring being used as low speed). Can anyone assist with this?

You should PM Dr. Tweak about this, I bet he can help. Wiring is one of his specialties.


This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Feb 11, 2008 - 4:16 PM

[Green_MachToy]

I think the other guy with the AWD ST (BltnotBgt) has a better setup for making a kit. It almost looks as though you could probably make the circular piece in the rear wider and use some u-bolts for those that don't want or can't weld. I am not sure if that would be strong enough but, I am sure there are plenty of guys on here that could make the suggestions to get a kit out of his setup. Plus his is a lot cleaner! Hopefully someone on here can come up with something.

now you should make kits for the rest of us so we can go awd!
sell the kit to has sport or TRD and get rich $$$

Keep up the good work...

I will give that a shot....thanks!

I got all the parts for just under $2k....that was everything from the tank to calipers. Only things I didn't get was the sway bars(in Europe I believe the call them Anti-roll bars). I cut a re-welded mine to fit the use for now. THis is an item I must replace before I do any real hard driving. The reason I made a point to mention the difference in the name is because I have had better luck getting used parts from over there than I have in Japan. In Europe, they seem to be parting (breaking) them, one every week. The $2k was including shipping. I would suggest you pay the extra for a fuel cell rather than go with a stock tank. It will save you the cutting of the trunk, major welding, re-build, adjusting the fill neck....etc.

I am still working on trying to figure out the wiring through the Fuel relay to have the high speed in the stock pump kick in under boost. I should have addressed this during the initial engine swap but didn't realize the second stage was not wired up correctly. I have basically all the power requirements to the relay, but none of the inputs from the ECU and nothing back to the pump itself (other than the stock ST wiring being used as low speed). Can anyone assist with this?

You should PM Dr. Tweak about this, I bet he can help. Wiring is one of his specialties.

[stephen_lee]

i may start looking for the whole rear of the car and get my friend to weld up the gt4 rear up to my st and go from there

[lagos]

Remove the fuel pump relay all together and let the fuel pump run 100% from the COR. All you have to do is cut the yellow relay out and solder all of the blue wires together.

[Theshanon]

hey did you have to re-route the exhaust?? if so whered you put it?

[Green_MachToy]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

Remove the fuel pump relay all together and let the fuel pump run 100% from the COR. All you have to do is cut the yellow relay out and solder all of the blue wires together.

TheShanon:
Its right next to the drive shaft...
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hey did you have to re-route the exhaust?? if so whered you put it?

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 17, 2008 - 7:31 PM

[Theshanon]

honestly man, good job!!!!!!

[x_itchy_b_x]

680's on a stock ecu? if so that would be the reason why it barely runs.
i'm not sure if the safcII can even correct that large of a size without completely throwing off ignition timing.

[lagos]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

Then the fuel pump wiring is not your problem. You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.
If your still on the stock ct20b turbo, then there is no reason to put bigger injectors in there.

[6strngs]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

Then the fuel pump wiring is not your problem. You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.
If your still on the stock ct20b turbo, then there is no reason to put bigger injectors in there.

It runs badly because I also upgraded the injectors and am upgrading the turbo at the same time.

[lagos]

To what turbo? Whats the power goal? How do you/he plan to tune for the bigger injectors.

550s are enough to support around 330-350hp.

[jgreening]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.

Unless you run E85

[lagos]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.

Unless you run E85

Fuel type has nothing to do with it. Factory ecu is programmed to operate at certain duty cycles for 550cc injector. Simply throwing in bigger injectors will mess up your idle, cruise, and wot fuel maps.

[x_itchy_b_x]

fuel type matters. e85 might run better (not great though since you cant tune anything on a stock ecu), since e85 requires 20-30% more fuel to run. i agree though, you need some sort of management.

[jgreening]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.

Unless you run E85

Fuel type has nothing to do with it. Factory ecu is programmed to operate at certain duty cycles for 550cc injector. Simply throwing in bigger injectors will mess up your idle, cruise, and wot fuel maps.

Perhaps you should do some research before you start barking.