where the doctor go Options

[snapshotgt]

Edit, nvm.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Feb 8, 2007 - 1:52 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Jesus H, everybody.....the guy does this for a living, its what he does for a living and its pretty labor and skill intensive. Prices to have somebody do a swap ARE NOT going to be cheap as it reflects the parts and labor, its not really worth gasping over....

Costs of a swap are TOTALLY different for everyone. Theres no logical way that you can sit here at a keyboard and say, "its going to cost $4000, at least", or......"$7,000, WTF is that all about?!". I don't see the point in shoehorning the swapping segment into some price category, it just is what it is.



Let Doc do what he does. If its too much for you, then do it yourself and spend less for labor. If you don't want to to it, pay him the money and he'll make it happen. This thread, afterall, started out wondering where he was and it turns into a poo slinging contest. haha.

[illneversellmyce...]

i hear ya silver i was just trying to contact tweak at first i didin mean to stir up a hornets nest but it's bee nfun to read and i'm learning alotreal fast
everyone jsut needs to chill and lower da ego's a bit , were all here to help

This post has been edited by illneversellmycelli: Feb 8, 2007 - 2:21 PM

[lagos]

I'd estimate it to be about $1000 to $1500 cheaper than the 3SGTE. I would want the car for 4-6 weeks though to be safe.

-Doc

3SGTE basic swap: $6500
V6 basic swap: $5900 (difference $600)

see, its not any cheaper a potential 600$ savings means nothing when your spending 6grand to begin with.

This post has been edited by lagos: Feb 8, 2007 - 2:33 PM

[playr158]

you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users.

i disagree.....there is EASILY a greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc. Mr2oc on general has more experienced and older members then here on 6gc where is a majority of younger less experienced more or less noobs

Some people would rather spend more money and risk not knowing whats going on your car and all the potential risks that go along with having someone do the swap for you..Tweak is an aite guy even though i know i don't see eye to eye with his methods...He's had people happy with his stuff and he's had people so-so about his stuff.

Some people would rather know MORE and spend less doing it themselves insuring 100 percentage and whats going on...

its just depends who u are


This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 8, 2007 - 3:03 PM

[lagos]

you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users.

i disagree.....there is EASILY a greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc. Mr2oc on general has more experienced and older members then here on 6gc where is a majority of younger less experienced more or less noobs

Some people would rather spend more money and risk not knowing whats going on your car and all the potential risks that go along with having someone do the swap for you..Tweak is an aite guy even though i know i don't see eye to eye with his methods...He's had people happy with his stuff and he's had people so-so about his stuff.

Some people would rather know MORE and spend less doing it themselves insuring 100 percentage and whats going on...

its just depends who u are

well said dan. but brian also has a good point. just cause its "mr2oc" dont mean your talking to Noshoes on there. they have more then their share of n00bs on there ... (all the bov posts come to mind).

i figure my car is making somewhere around 280hp and 310tq at the crank (if im doing the math right). my s54 has never had an issue with this and ive had my car swapped for about 3yrs now.

[Dr_Tweak]

Like I said, using the E153 tranny is certainly ideal. FORGEMAN, I completely respect your point of view, and honestly, I agree. I just know that my average customer is going to be interested in saving $1000 on something that they don't HAVE TO have. When Collin came to me originally, he was on a very strict budget and was looking to save as much money as possible whereever he could, so I trimmed out whatever I thought I would trim out while still delivering a SAFE, RELIABLE swapped car.

I'm more than willing to use the E153 on any swap that anyone wants me to do, just add about $1000 to the total price. I'm just saying, you don't need to. Lagos is another perfect example.

I'd estimate it to be about $1000 to $1500 cheaper than the 3SGTE. I would want the car for 4-6 weeks though to be safe.

-Doc

3SGTE basic swap: $6500
V6 basic swap: $5900 (difference $600)

see, its not any cheaper a potential 600$ savings means nothing when your spending 6grand to begin with.

Actually if you look at the numbers again, you'll see that I said it will be around $1000 cheaper (I quoted higher there) and the difference between the two on an ST is, in fact, $850. So $150 off isn't all that bad, now is it? Still, if you read you my post you'll see that when you go high end on both swaps, I admit there is not really much of a difference in price.

you know mr2oc isnt the bible, theres stupid people on every message board, infact probably more on mr2oc because theres more users.

i disagree.....there is EASILY a greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc. Mr2oc on general has more experienced and older members then here on 6gc where is a majority of younger less experienced more or less noobs

Will a mod PLEASE remove this.

The issue here is NOT who you should have do your swap or how much labor is, or why or why not you should do the swap yourself instead of sending the job to one of the pros. Heck, on any of those swaps, labor represents a SMALL percentage of the overall price!

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Feb 8, 2007 - 3:17 PM

[playr158]

also to note which i grant 90% of 6gc doesn't think about

is PURPOSE building...

are you going to be beating the **** outta your car?
are you going to spend time at the local strip or hang out racing?

then you are going to be better off with a E153 its proven more durable + stock lsd options

or are you a daily driver, take it easy but like to pass people

5sfe would work for you

its what fits YOUR purpose better.....not a bunch of lemmings on websites

*sorry if doc is too sensitive to the word "dumb"*

This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 8, 2007 - 3:19 PM

[lagos]

Will a mod PLEASE remove this.

i really hope you dont ask moderators to remove peoples thoughts or opinions on this site, just because you don't agree with them. it would be one thing if he said something offensive, but he didn't.

[Dr_Tweak]

I think that saying that "most of the people" on the forum that you spend your time on are "dumb" is somewhat offensive, yes. I know that on the forums that I moderate, the owners look down on the forum or it's members being referred to as "dumb" It's a minor side-point, let's not let it detract from the very interesting subject at hand.

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Feb 8, 2007 - 3:21 PM

[playr158]

I just think that saying that "most of the people" on the forum that you spend your time on are "dumb" is not a very nice statement to make.

Actually if you read what i wrote it says
"greater percentage of dumb people here then over on mr2oc"
this doesn't dictate a percentage...it could be 10% it could be 80%
so it COULD be a majority or it COULD be a minority

a) if you're going to quote someone, you better be right
b) i think reading 101 is down the hall in room 69

This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 8, 2007 - 3:24 PM

[lagos]

I think that saying that "most of the people" on the forum that you spend your time on are "dumb" is somewhat offensive, yes. I know that on the forums that I moderate, the owners look down on the forum or it's members being referred to as "dumb" It's a minor side-point, let's not let it detract from the very interesting subject at hand.

its pretty clear that what player was trying to say, is that youll find more experienced people on mr2oc then you would on here. we dont nearly have the same amount of guru's on here as they do on there. he wasn't trying to offend anyone on 6gc.


anyway, back on topic..... dang tweak, you charge a lot for your swaps

This post has been edited by lagos: Feb 8, 2007 - 3:25 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

anyway, back on topic..... dang tweak, you charge a lot for your swaps

WHAT???

[illneversellmyce...]

actually his prices are prety good i checked about 25 shops in a 3 state area around nc, and they all qouted higher and told me to buy a new car,. whatever

anyway even if i did go to those shops mostdont have toyota expertise.

unfortunatly i'm not a mecahnic , good with cars, but def couldnt do a swap so that why i have to pay someone to do it, and labor is a bitch to pay for

but hell yeah you save when you do ityourself but it usally takes hell of a lot longer...but hey its all presonal prefences lol

[Negative]

People need to stop bashing the Doc and his prices. I for one am happy we have him here speciallizing in swapping our cars. Keep this up and he may go elsewhere and as the post above proves - not everyone is capable of swapping themselves.

[Dr_Tweak]

It's all good guys, I'm 99% sure that Lagos was just kidding around.

-Doc

[presure2]

lets break this down systematicly.
#1:
if you dont like Tweeks prices, or methods, find someone else to do it, or DO IT YOURSELF.
he charges what HE believes to be a fair price for HIS services. simple. dont like it? move on.
#2:
the S54 tranny, in decent condition, WILL without a doubt, hold a V6 swaps power/ torque.
i've smashed thru the gears COUNTLESS times, with 235+whp and 275+FT lbs, with NO issues, for almost 2 yrs now.
the e153 is a better choice, if you have the $$ to do so, and feel the need for the longer gears, (and LSD in some cases) but its definetly not "necessary" to do a 3s OR V6 swap.
doc, i dont think dan meant what he said as an "insult" to the other members...he could have worded it better, without a doubt, but, i knew what he meant by it, and im pretty sure the other members in this discussion that frequent mr2oc agree.
lets try and keep this all civil.

[easternpiro1]

jeez! this thread got thick quick!!! (its been boring around here lately) pressure, how much longer do you mean when comparing the tranny's? i know when i shift in mine the gears are VERY short, what is the major difference between an e153? and a gt tranny?

[celicast3sgte]

my personal reason for wanting an e153 is for the LSD optioned trannies only so i can check traction loss off my list for another 50-60hp ish. required is too strong of a statement for a standard 3s/v6 swap. we can all agree on that atleast?

stop complaining about prices. like pressure2 stated. if you dont like the cost MOVE ON! I did just that, swapped myself and decided against the stock ecu all together. my choices made my swap more in tune to what i want out of my car.

keep up the info, keep down the bashing and droning on about NooBs, Newbs, noobies....etc i personally and VERY!!! sick of hearin about it.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

keep up the info, keep down the bashing and droning on about NooBs, Newbs, noobies....etc i personally and VERY!!! sick of hearin about it.

if you dont like Tweeks prices, or methods, find someone else to do it, or DO IT YOURSELF.
he charges what HE believes to be a fair price for HIS services. simple. dont like it? move on.

Thank you both....less bs, more booooost.

I get tired of 6gc when I see senseless bickering.