From fwd to awd, is it possible? Options

[lagos]

no need to be an ass about it.. i just requested you stop saying no to everyone because YOU didnt justify the cause.

EDIT: WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHO IS CAPABLE AND WHO ISNT?!

im not being an ass about it. your the one that made an insulting post.
im not judging anyone. im simply replying to goferris thread where he asked us for more info and giving him my opinions from what i learned when i looked into doing this to my car.

[94GT]

Lagos, I know you get cracked on a lot for being a naysayer, but I personally value your opinion on this subject and swap stuff in general. Everyone knows that it can be done, but the bottomless money pit that a project like that can turn into and the safety factor is definitely worth mentioning. You've got a right to say what you're saying, and I think most appreciate your advice, including me.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

There is a difference between typing good advice and just being negative and kind of rude. There isn't any need to be a cheerleader everything someone says something either. Most of the projects people talk about won't happen, that's just how it is. Lagos, I'm just saying that you might think about what you’re doing and watch yourself because you walk the line every now and then. But hell, we all have personalities, there is no shame in showing the world that.

[Batman722]

ok relax everyone...

OPTION 1
if you get a rear clip it would be easier than a 100% fab job. What you would have to do is have a shop cut the along FACTORY WELDS of the clip (start from the back of the front seats (the floor)), then along the side members, then up around the strut towers and over the hatch. Then they would have to do the same to your car (hehe cut that beotch right into pieces) and weld the 205 subframe onto your USDM car. All of the new welds have to be perfect and strait and everything has to be precise. If one side weld is off by a 1/2 inch, then your hatch won't close properly and look not so good, plus your car might drive a bit crocked or just shake violenly at high speeds Then you would have to make sure you have ALL of the needed parts from the 205, like the fuel lines, brake lines, gas tank, sway bar, links, suspension assemblies, brakes, drive shaft, rear diff, make sure you use all new bushings (which you would have to order from Japan and wait a few weeks for) ect.. and still be able to custom fab some stuff. And you would only really want to do this if you had a 3s swap or planning to swap in a 3s of course, or just bolt up an AWD tranny to your 5s and have a very slow AWD car.

all of the exterior welds would be grinded down and then the cost of the repaint (front half of the car is one color and the rear is another)...

also if you do the 205 rear you would probably need new wheels because the 205 calipers are huge. Better stock up on brake pads and rotors too.


OPTION 2
or you can just go 100% custom and do it all yourself. Celiman05 and his dad had many parts from 205 and still did MAJOR fabrication to his car to get everything bolted right up.

have any of you seen celiman05's car in person ? did any of you see the process ? oh yeah, I did. So if you have the extra $$, many many free months, and a trusted shop/person to do all of this for you, is it worth it ? You better make sure the shop/person doing this doesn't mess up one little thing or else your driving something dangerous to you and everyone around you.

[alltracman78]

or just bolt up an AWD tranny to your 5s and have a very slow AWD car.

For the record, the 5S block and transfer case don't work together unless you do some major grinding of the block.

have any of you seen celiman05's car in person ?

OOh OOh me me me me

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I talked to the guy with the GT-4 and he says the rear ends are completely different. His brother has a 6gc that they bought a little beat up and fixed up, so he seems to know both cars pretty well. I know he's been inside and out of that GT-4 of his. Fact still remains though, if you're that much of a 6gc fan, you'll find a way. Lot easier to just buy a 5gc GT-4, which is what I'm thinking about.

[Negative]

Me too. But there is so much about them that isn't a 6th Gen. The looks are close but eh... The motor is close but eh... The interior is nice but eh...
the list goes on and on. IDK it's probably what I will do evenyually anyway.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Me too. But there is so much about them that isn't a 6th Gen. The looks are close but eh... The motor is close but eh... The interior is nice but eh...
the list goes on and on. IDK it's probably what I will do evenyually anyway.

The only reason I want one if for a race car, so I don't really care of looks or interior. I'm starting to figure out that FWD is really good in a low power car, or high powered drag car, but it's so great coming out of a turn in with high power. Might be different with a LSD. We need to get a thread started on making a LSD for the 5sfe trans.

[InfamousChappy]

I hate to jump in like this and I'm not tryin to hijack a thread or anything, but I just have to insert my two cents.

With the high cost and potential danger to try and convert a USDM GT or ST to a JDM GT4 (because that's what it's gonna be, most of the drivetrain will be JDM) why even bother?
Sell your swapped 3sgte and import a GT4 I mean hell you're already importing half the car as it is. Then if you really must do a converison convert it to RHD. You don't even need to do a conversion just learn how to drive like a mailman or even be a mailman.

I'm saying this on the assumption that it's legal to import GT4s.

[jason]

I hate to jump in like this and I'm not tryin to hijack a thread or anything, but I just have to insert my two cents.

With the high cost and potential danger to try and convert a USDM GT or ST to a JDM GT4 (because that's what it's gonna be, most of the drivetrain will be JDM) why even bother?
Sell your swapped 3sgte and import a GT4 I mean hell you're already importing half the car as it is. Then if you really must do a converison convert it to RHD. You don't even need to do a conversion just learn how to drive like a mailman or even be a mailman.

I'm saying this on the assumption that it's legal to import GT4s.

haha put on ur flame suit... i dont think its legal or very cost efficient to import gt-4's i think a thread covered that, but itd still be neat.

cheap awd speed - get a dsm n become best friends with a mechanic, or buy a whole bunch of tools cuz you'll need em, then drive around like all the other losers with a modded dsm (me being one of them) ya can pass everything on the road cept the tow trucks

[malpaso]

...just see this page what should be done with 7th gen celica and some 6gen GT-four parts for inspiration
http://www.fensport.co.uk/fensportcarsfile...rtNewCelica.htm





result: 7th gen CELICA, 4 WHEEL DRIVE, 3SGTE ENGINE...

[pokemeintheeye]

or just bolt up an AWD tranny to your 5s and have a very slow AWD car.

For the record, the 5S block and transfer case don't work together unless you do some major grinding of the block.

I believe that problem can be solved by using one off of a RAV4.

[playr158]

no need to be an ass about it.. i just requested you stop saying no to everyone because YOU didnt justify the cause.

EDIT: WHO ARE YOU TO JUDGE WHO IS CAPABLE AND WHO ISNT?!

OMG i must meet you someday....

you have made this post soooo much better and proved a blatant point about certain people and issues here!



this is a very possible swap....its been done multiple times....

it requires RESEARCH, KNOWLEDGE, PRECISION and EXPERIENCE

or

a SH1T load of money to pay someone to do it

[3WayStunna]

hmmm, with the fact being that there are a few 6th gens running around with this swap done, im surprised that ppl, still bring up the money vs skill issue....i just think that if there is a wil there is a way, and that the hardest part thus far is sourceing the parts to do it, and the ignorance of not knowing what formula of mix and match( of celica/toyota tranny's, diffs, suspension etc.) we need to make it work....plain and simple, ppl have done it, hardest part was sourcing the parts.....hey goferris, find a reliable supplier of the parts, learn to weld or find agood welder and tell s how it goes 6 months down the road, and good luck bro ^_^

[CilverSeliST205]

Wonder how much would it cost to put 6gc body on 5gc full frame (5gc interior engine suspension drivetrain etc)

more cost efficient/safe... or brainfart idea ?

[j0e_p3t]

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=45677

[playr158]

Wonder how much would it cost to put 6gc body on 5gc full frame (5gc interior engine suspension drivetrain etc)

more cost efficient/safe... or brainfart idea ?

considering the celica is a UNIBODY design.....
brainfart idea for you +1

[CelicaGT04]

Oohh.. well i believe this topic took a turn for the worst...
I plead the 5th..

But to the topic at hand, go for the AWD conversion..
I just hope your pockets are DEEEEEEEEP... i mean like
OCEAN deep...

Either that or you have a good paying job and you live with your mom....

This post has been edited by CelicaGT04: Feb 26, 2007 - 10:41 AM

[goferris]

yeah no joke. i have decided that i am just too poor to ever be able to afford this mod.it would definitely be cool.
someone was saying that it isn't possible to ship the gtfour over here. why not? they ship r34 skylines over all the time. (well i guess not all the time but you get the point.) what difference would it be to ship a gt four? i suppose this might need to be in a different thread. not that i will ever be able to afford it but just curious. thanks far all the input that you have all provided

This post has been edited by goferris: Feb 26, 2007 - 8:55 PM

[94GT]

yeah no joke. i have decided that i am just too poor to ever be able to afford this mod.it would definitely be cool.
someone was saying that it isn't possible to ship the gtfour over here. why not? they ship r34 skylines over all the time. (well i guess not all the time but you get the point.) what difference would it be to ship a gt four? i suppose this might need to be in a different thread. not that i will ever be able to afford it but just curious. thanks far all the input that you have all provided

have you ever priced an r34? A lot of that cost is getting it street legal over here.