Big Brake Kit, 6gc GT Options

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[purplegt4]

a "BBK" will NOT help braking on the street or on a drag strip.

then porsches don't need them either.


why question who needs it or not. nobody needs a 3s, nobody needs half the crap they put on their car. all that was requested was an update.

[playr158]

hey i want them cause they look pretty
and just for clarification...my friends GT3 porsche does need them

but my point wasn't directed towards you. it was Lagos' post
mine was merely to make sure people understand what a BBK really does/is for
by stating its not for any street gains

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 22, 2007 - 11:42 PM

[rzanology]

bring on the god damn big brake kit!!!!!

price pleeeaase!!!!

[Batman722]

just do a 7th gen BBK, it was confirmed a long time ago.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8498

This post has been edited by Batman722: Jul 23, 2007 - 1:20 AM

[jesterwr217]

have you guys seen this?
cheaper here

This post has been edited by jesterwr217: Jul 23, 2007 - 11:25 AM

[x_itchy_b_x]

After this weekends experience in New york, in both of my friends wrx's. one with a big brake kit and one without. the difference was obnoxiously noticeable while one would slide past the point where the other stopped and the brakes would smell horrible, the other could stop on a dime and the pedal was so firm.
both cars have 250 awhp and going from 120mph to 40mph at Limerock Raceway where they are both licensed drivers the larger brakes made a big difference. The way I plan to/do drive the celica, big brakes would definitely benefit anyone wanting better stopping power.

[playr158]

big brakes don't get warm enough nor perform better than OEM sized brakes on the street. its a fact

THOUGH if they take them out to LIMEROCK thats a much different story. Where BBK would get proper use and function like it should.

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 23, 2007 - 11:48 AM

[Kadett]

Its not only that the rotor is bigger. The whole brake pad surface is bigger = more stopping power. That has nothing to do with heating up or not. Thats only the case when upgrading to better gripping brake pads that are semi/track use.

[purplegt4]

take a moment to read some technical papers and FAQs from stoptech.com, then everybody should throw in their two cents.

stoptech.com FAQs

[purplegt4]

What pad will work best for both street and track use?

This is likely the most often asked question, and there is no single clear-cut answer. The actual answer is no pad will work "best" in both environment's, there will always be a compromise in one area of operation. Pads are asked to do a number of different tasks in different situations. You need to ask yourself which of the following are most important to your particular driving style. When you understand the variables, you will be better able to pick the best pad.

1. COLD STOPPING PERFORMANCE. How well does the pad grip on the first stop when the system is at ambient temperature?
2. HOT STOPPING PERFORMANCE. How the pad reacts in higher temperature such as on the track?
3. PAD LIFE. How long will the pads last in a given driving environment?
4. ROTOR LIFE. How aggressive is the pad on the rotor, will it groove the surface?
5. NOISE. Does the pad squeal?
6. DUST. How much dust does the pad generate, how easy is it to clean?
7. COST. Is the pad affordable compared to how it performs?

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#23

[purplegt4]

o man. i'm almost sorry i brought this topic back to life. I just wanted to lay all the brake upgrades out in front of me. so, bbks are out. on to 7th gen r&d.

no quarrels needed.

[purplegt4]

Won't bigger caliper pistons stop better?

A bigger set of caliper pistons will provide more clamping pressure on that axle, but could have a negative effect on total brake performance. If the pistons are too large for the application there will be excessive pedal travel and an adverse change in front to rear balance resulting in extended stopping distances. Also, clamping forces can easily become so strong that pre-mature lock-up will occur making brake modulation difficult. StopTech is the only big brake kit manufacturer building our own calipers specifically for each application while maintaining or improving system balance.

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#14

be careful.

[x_itchy_b_x]

lol, this is a funny thread. half the people are talking about street use the other track use. street use you buy a different compound pad.... track use you buy a different more aggressive pad. either way the larger 8! piston calipers will stop it better than a 2 piston. no bickering about it...

[jesterwr217]

have you guys seen this?
cheaper here

ok everyone quit your bitchn and answer me this are these kits good i want them mainly for show because i have a show car so just lemme kno if this kit is good and if it has everything i need

[RCTCelica]

everyone can benefit from a big brake kit, it doesn't matter if you are pushing 600whp or 150whp. for the high output cars a BBK will do the obvious and for a lower output car it doesn't hurt to stop when you want to stop.

most of us experienced "mushy" or "spongy" brake pedals on a hot summer day and we all know that it doesn't feel good and it's not that safe. a bbk will eliminate all of that and your braking will greatly improve.

when i upgraded my braking system, i felt a huge difference in stopping power. before the BBK i did the rotor and SS lines thinking that it would be the same as a complete BBK, i was dead wrong.

i got a custom setup that consist of:

-6 piston wilwood calipers
-13 inch 2 piece crossed drilled and slotted rotors
-ss brake lines
-bolt on hardware

and here are the benefits:

-stop on a dime
-less pad wear
-less rotor wear
-less brake dust
-solid brake pedal feedback at all times

my cars output is not anywhere near high performance but i can see that the kit benefits me in many ways (going 90 on the interstate and having to rapidly slow down do to sudden traffic). now, i have had and driven 500+ whp cars and i can feel that the BBK remains consistant at all times.

now, what i can say is that a 6 piston caliper with a 13 inch rotor that is drilled and slotted is something that i will never "fully use" but i got it due to show reasons as well. if you guys are not showing you car and don't plan on it a 4 piston upgrade with a 12 rotor should be good.

as i mentioned eariler, a bbk pads will last practically forever since it stops you with less rotor rotations in other words a stock setup may stop you within 100 full rotor rotation with the calipers compressed but a BBK will do the job in a fraction of that amount due to the larger surface of the rotor and pads.




dennis

[RCTCelica]

[RCTCelica]

Lagos, I can't believe how immature and ignorant you are. Playr is right, you can slap that bbk on and then watch your crappy cum-hoes struggle to grip the road.

And why did you say to playr "i didnt realize you had a car with more then 100hp"? If you honestly think your 3s is so bad, come line up with my 1.3L. Semi turbos will shut you up pretty quick.

Lagos, you've been proven wrong, accept it. You've simply been bested by someone who knows more about cars then you. Deal with it.

S'ok i can always bring out my 2XXhp chic car and do some ownage....it got stock brakes too?!

most of us experienced "mushy" or "spongy" brake pedals on a hot summer day and we all know that it doesn't feel good and it's not that safe. a bbk will eliminate all of that and your braking will greatly improve.

a stock sized system can have this corrected as well.
proper fluid, SS lines and good pads
though BBK will eliminate it too....(i like your kit though its very nice)

thanks for the complement on the kit. yes, a stock system can be improved by ss lines to better pads and rotors to prevent the "mushy" feel but the heat generated from the smaller rotors (rotationg more times when stopping) can cause many imperfections such a rotor cracks and premature brake wear.

with a higher heat count, your fluids will not work as well. in a worse case senerio, your fluids heat up causing vapors. vapors equals gas which equals air pockets with your lines causing. time to bleed your brakes.

[SlowCelica94]

Agreed. The point when I realized it when in an integra with type-r brakes (other aftmrkt braking crap) at turn 7 on putmen park when I was introduced to the worse case of brake fade I've ever seen.

My point is, you're only going to expirence brake fade on the track. Street cars with bbk's are a waste of cash

[x_itchy_b_x]

my car sees track like driving often.( when it runs) i dont go out to get groceries in it if you know what i mean.
let the driver decide whether he would benefit from big brakes. not a cost to performance ratio between upgraded line ect. and big brakes. im using those two wrx's as my bench mark and the street driving braking was still better on the big brake setup. im not lying.