Finishing up 2slow2nervous's 3SGTE Swap, What a nightmare! Options

[Dr_Tweak]

Installing the intercooler...







We cut the endtanks off and modified the intercooler to flow in and out on the same end...





Fixing the wiring chaos...











More has been done but I didn't get a chance to get the camera out today... I'll have some more pics on Friday most likely.

-Doc

[6th_celi_vert]

its not hating... I charge far less to do work for people and produce better end results... its fact. that saturn manifold is weaksauce.. have fun copyingsomeone elses design for a manifold.. that is also weaksauce... some people are here to strictly make a buck... I do affordable quality work bc im an enthusiast.. like most of us here are.

I would really like to see you make one as amazing as that.

[WannabeGT4]

Tweak, about the wiring. Did you extend it to wrap around the manifold and does the diagnostic port always end up dangling by where it enters the cabin or is that all left over from the previous wiring attempt?

[Dr_Tweak]

Tweak, about the wiring. Did you extend it to wrap around the manifold and does the diagnostic port always end up dangling by where it enters the cabin or is that all left over from the previous wiring attempt?

It is extended to wrap around the manifold, and that is where I install the diagnostic port... it's only dangling right now because I haven't buttoned it all up yet.

-Doc

[WannabeGT4]

Tweak, about the wiring. Did you extend it to wrap around the manifold and does the diagnostic port always end up dangling by where it enters the cabin or is that all left over from the previous wiring attempt?

It is extended to wrap around the manifold, and that is where I install the diagnostic port... it's only dangling right now because I haven't buttoned it all up yet.

-Doc

I thought you routed the harness between the manifold and head like a stock harness? Any reason you stopped doing it that way? That's the way I did mine and it seemed like it was easier than extending all the wires plus it looks just like Toyota did it.

[playr158]

its not hating... I charge far less to do work for people and produce better end results... its fact. that saturn manifold is weaksauce.. have fun copyingsomeone elses design for a manifold.. that is also weaksauce... some people are here to strictly make a buck... I do affordable quality work bc im an enthusiast.. like most of us here are.

I would really like to see you make one as amazing as that.

there is a new one out for the 3sgte but its not 100% sure on production

company called Neukin...cheaper than $900 lifetime warrenty...
and the claimed detail "The manifold was the best manifold we could make within reason for the Mr2. I even took the time to get runners close to equal length and the runner entry into the collector was set so the fire order of 1342 would fire exhaust into the collector in a spiral one right after the other to increase spool up etc"
here is the Mr2oc thread to follow or see the discussion
http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=2368...age=1&pp=30
more importantly should pay attention to what Bill Strong says in that thread

*but we should stop thread jacking and create a new one....or get over it*

This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 28, 2007 - 9:49 PM

[Punisher]

Um.. I said that the saturn manifold is a piece of artwork.. Not worth more than good looks.

I don't make exhaust manifolds..

[Dr_Tweak]

Um.. I said that the saturn manifold is a piece of artwork.. Not worth more than good looks.

I don't make exhaust manifolds..

A few posts ago, during a discussion about the manifolds, you claimed that you can do much better work with much better results for much cheaper. Since you now say that you don't make exhaust manifolds, I guess we're all a little confused.

I thought you routed the harness between the manifold and head like a stock harness? Any reason you stopped doing it that way? That's the way I did mine and it seemed like it was easier than extending all the wires plus it looks just like Toyota did it.

That is the way I was doing them for a while, but I discovered when doing a swap in a 5th gen that the JDM harness can actually reach the ECU just fine if you make some slight changes to the harness, and then extend the coil, ignitor, AFM, noise filter, temp sensor, oil sending unit, cold start injector switch, and maybe one or two other things. This ended up being much easier and simpler than taking the whole harness apart and redoing it, but of course, on the 5th gen, the plugs at the fusebox and the interior actually work.

On this car, the fusebox and interior connectors had be hacked off the 6th gen harness, and the rest of the harness was MIA. Unable to use parts of it that I normally would, I opted to do the wiring "5th gen style" and wire the 6th gen fusebox and interior connectors directly to the harness. This proved to work quite well and may become my method of choice for doing harnesses in the future.

Though, these days, I don't do many 3SGTE harnesses, mostly I do 4AGEs, 2JZGTEs, 1JZGTEs, etc.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Mar 29, 2007 - 6:19 AM

[2slow2nervous]

cars coming along good! i like what im seeing alot cant wait to sit behind the wheel of her!

[Punisher]

Swaps.. I also do engine builds/rebuilds, transmission work and everything inbetween.

Doing a 3sgte swap into a 4th gen gts for a local guy.. He's been jerked around a lot.. I'm charging him a grand(includes any wiring and aftermarket parts installation) plus parts.. others on here have asked me about 3sgte swaps.. I charge 1500 labor.. that includes the harness work and cleaning the engine and replacing whatever seals/gaskets.. pumps.. etc.

This post has been edited by Punisher: Mar 29, 2007 - 10:02 PM

[Batman722]

Swaps.. I also do engine builds/rebuilds, transmission work and everything inbetween.

Doing a 3sgte swap into a 4th gen gts for a local guy.. He's been jerked around a lot.. I'm charging him a grand(includes any wiring and aftermarket parts installation) plus parts.. others on here have asked me about 3sgte swaps.. I charge 1500 labor.. that includes the harness work and cleaning the engine and replacing whatever seals/gaskets.. pumps.. etc.

what does any of this have to do with 2slow2nervous' car getting done ?

If you got beef with tweak or his buddy then make a new post about it so you 2 can cry about who has bigger balls then.

back to topic, IC looks good.

[brianforster]

well tweak kind of called him out on his claim that he does quality work for cheaper, not takin sidees cause i love tweak, but just pointin out

[phattyduck]

We cut the endtanks off and modified the intercooler to flow in and out on the same end...


-Doc

Interesting... I'm not sure I agree that this is a good idea. The air now only has 5 passages to go through, and twice the distance inside the intercooler, along with a few hard bends at the far side. The cross-sectional area inside the intercooler is decrease and I would imagine this would make a large flow restriction.

What was the thinking behind this? I would prefer a pipe to run up behind the crash bar and around rather than doing it this way (see the DSM guys and their FMICs).

-Charlie

[playr158]

the cross sectional area is the same, unless they are hacking off some amount of the IC core. Instead of 1 shoter fat area the charge now goes 1/2 as wide but makes a double pass....if you do your math and all that fun jazz and common sense its cooling the exact same amount as it would in a normal straight setup. only downside is the 180* turn that it now was to do on the other end tank but its negligible performance wise

[Punisher]

Is the intercooler completely finished as seen in pics?

This post has been edited by Punisher: Mar 30, 2007 - 7:27 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

Swaps.. I also do engine builds/rebuilds, transmission work and everything inbetween.

Doing a 3sgte swap into a 4th gen gts for a local guy.. He's been jerked around a lot.. I'm charging him a grand(includes any wiring and aftermarket parts installation) plus parts.. others on here have asked me about 3sgte swaps.. I charge 1500 labor.. that includes the harness work and cleaning the engine and replacing whatever seals/gaskets.. pumps.. etc.

Just so that I understand you correctly, you're saying that you do swaps much better than I do with much better results for cheaper, is that right?

the cross sectional area is the same, unless they are hacking off some amount of the IC core. Instead of 1 shoter fat area the charge now goes 1/2 as wide but makes a double pass....if you do your math and all that fun jazz and common sense its cooling the exact same amount as it would in a normal straight setup. only downside is the 180* turn that it now was to do on the other end tank but its negligible performance wise

Not only that, the route taken to get to the intercooler from the turbo is much shorter and uses less bends, so in the end you win out this way.

Is the intercooler completely finished as seen in pics?

YES! WE THOUGHT THAT THE AIR WOULD MAGICALLY MAKE THE 180-DEGREE TURN AT THE END AND COME BACK INTO THE INTERCOOLER PIPING ALL BY ITSELF!



As for angrymike's welding skills, you can't compare this:



with this:



Compare the welds. If you don't see the difference and don't know why it's important, then you need to stop, and go argue with someone else on the internet.

Mike's last job, by the way, was welding parts for GULFSTREAM and BOEING.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Mar 30, 2007 - 9:38 AM

[x_itchy_b_x]

you guys should be board rivals lol! that would be awesome.

[Dr_Tweak]

I think not.

[playr158]

why can't you compare them?
they are both done by hand? i think its perfectly reasonable to do so..

runner length, runner position, material quality and weld quality are all factors comparable to any manifold
but we could just get out a sonogram or whatever that bit is and really inspect the welds for direction of flow and all that crap..

oh i also forgot to mention price(all of them are sub 900$ from NEUKIN) and such(warranty theirs is lifetime) is useful for comparison as well

welds



side noted here is a cast iron one that showed up lately



This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 30, 2007 - 10:17 AM

[snapshotgt]

Dan, get real - this is not a forum board to discuss things, this is tweaks shrine thread where people can worship him.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Mar 30, 2007 - 10:39 AM