lotus engine Options

[celiman5]

hey i was just curious but would a lotus engine be able to fit and run in our celicas since the engine is toyota based. i know it would be super expensive, but i was just wondering when i was reading a magazine with a lotus in there that, would it be possible.

[purplegt4]

it's a beefed 2zz-ge. maybe search around the site for that.

[j0e_p3t]

its the same engine as the 7gc gts. imo, too much work and money for only 185 hp.

[jdg371]

Lotus Elise is 190hp

you could get that engine from any Celica GTS [00+] Matrix XRS, Vibe, Corolla XRS

If you want to swap a 2ZZGE get one without DBW it will be less of a hassle with wiring. They have around 160whp and the best bang for the buck mod is a PFC.

A Celica GTS with basic I/H/E PFC will run mid 14s

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I think it's a good option for a swap. Very debatable. There are a good many threads about it.

[Bitter]

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/coroll...8630172cf8d.htm

that always makes my pants tight.

This post has been edited by Bitter: Feb 4, 2007 - 9:43 PM

[JesterDC]

The 2ZZ is an extremely peaky engine, it has NO bottem end because it was built by Yamaha. The ZZ engines are pretty much low-revving, 4-cyl, motorcycle engines

[playr158]

someone needs to swap in a hyabusa engine into their celica that would be sweeet

[BLINKYxMUNKEY]

someone needs to swap in a hyabusa engine into their celica that would be sweeet

Turboed. Mmmm. Sounds good.

[playr158]

someone needs to swap in a hyabusa engine into their celica that would be sweeet

Turboed. Mmmm. Sounds good.

yes...chain driven just use a solid rear w/a single gear like a four wheeler

[Bitter]

The 2ZZ is an extremely peaky engine, it has NO bottem end because it was built by Yamaha. The ZZ engines are pretty much low-revving, 4-cyl, motorcycle engines

the zz engine is all toyota, the G heads are the yamaha part. the 2zzge has a powerband similar to a 1zzfe below 5000 rpm. most G headed engines are higher revving engines, because yes the G heads do have SOME similar characteristics to motorcycle engines, but they also have alot thats NOT in common.

[JesterDC]

The 2ZZ is an extremely peaky engine, it has NO bottem end because it was built by Yamaha. The ZZ engines are pretty much low-revving, 4-cyl, motorcycle engines

the zz engine is all toyota, the G heads are the yamaha part. the 2zzge has a powerband similar to a 1zzfe below 5000 rpm. most G headed engines are higher revving engines, because yes the G heads do have SOME similar characteristics to motorcycle engines, but they also have alot thats NOT in common.

And even though the 2zz revs ok for a CAR engine, it dosen't rev nearly high enough to make a decent powerband with the way its heads were desighned.

Think about it like this, Car engines rev to 6-7,000-ish on average, while most performance motorcycle engines rev to +11,000, and then the fact that the 2zz was supposed to be a performance engine comes into play. If the desighner desighns a head for a 11,000 rpm engine and is then asked to make a head for toyota, chances are it's going to be very characteristic of the motorcycle head...

here's a 2zz dyno

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

So what's the problem with the motor? It's 160whp in a 2400-2500lbs car. Sounds like a good idea. If you just drive around town, it's probably not for you, but then neither is a turbo.

btw: That can't be a acurate messure of torque from that motor. There's no way it goes from 113 down to 97, and then back up to 120.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 5, 2007 - 8:07 PM

[Kwanza26]

And even though the 2zz revs ok for a CAR engine, it dosen't rev nearly high enough to make a decent powerband with the way its heads were desighned.

Think about it like this, Car engines rev to 6-7,000-ish on average, while most performance motorcycle engines rev to +11,000, and then the fact that the 2zz was supposed to be a performance engine comes into play. If the desighner desighns a head for a 11,000 rpm engine and is then asked to make a head for toyota, chances are it's going to be very characteristic of the motorcycle head...

You sir... are highly generalizing the way this engine, or any performance n/a 4 cylinder makes power. If you think 160whp @ 8000 rpms is bad... well... haha. If you think torque peak at 6500 rpms is bad... well... haha. Guess you never raced a car before huh? Low-end torque is fine and dandy if you like to drive around town and act like you're fast... get some groceries and such and such... but if you want to drive a car with track capable engine AND still be able to drive around town... well... not a lot of 4 cylinders will out-perform the 2ZZ. The only time you should talk about low-end torque is when you have an engine bigger than 3 liters... or a big fat turbo.

FYI... almost all of the Toyota heads have some sort of Yamaha input if not completely yamaha designed... a couple of them are pretty much Yahama designed PERIOD. 3SGE heads are all labeled YAMAHA... 1/2JZGE heads... Yamaha... 20V 4AGE... Yamaha. That's like... pretty much all of Toyota's sport engines huh?

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 5, 2007 - 8:08 PM

[Kwanza26]

So what's the problem with the motor? It's 160whp in a 2400-2500lbs car. Sounds like a good idea. If you just drive around town, it's probably not for you, but then neither is a turbo.

btw: That can't be a acurate messure of torque from that motor. There's no way it goes from 113 down to 97, and then back up to 120.

This is a worse looking dyno graph than usual... but it's pretty typical the way lift works. Even TVIS shows a dip in torque during the crossover... but typically the torque starts to dip as the primary cams reach their maximum efficiency then the lift lobes cause a bit of overlap resulting in a slight torque dip... then it picks up again as the air catches up to the engine... not to mention fuelling has the catch up also. It's not really noticeable though... cause when lift hits... (VTEC!) the engine screams and you pretty much feel an instant jolt of about 50hp...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 5, 2007 - 8:13 PM

[JesterDC]

So what's the problem with the motor? It's 160whp in a 2400-2500lbs car. Sounds like a good idea. If you just drive around town, it's probably not for you, but then neither is a turbo.

btw: That can't be a acurate messure of torque from that motor. There's no way it goes from 113 down to 97, and then back up to 120.

This is a worse looking dyno graph than usual... but it's pretty typical the way lift works. Even TVIS shows a dip in torque during the crossover... but typically the torque starts to dip as the primary cams reach their maximum efficiency then the lift lobes cause a bit of overlap resulting in a slight torque dip... then it picks up again as the air catches up to the engine... not to mention fuelling has the catch up also. It's not really noticeable though... cause when lift hits... (VTEC!) the engine screams and you pretty much feel an instant jolt of about 50hp...

It's not a baaaad engine, it just does not live up to the expectaions most had for this engine(The whole point of this engines existance was to beat out all competition, didn't really happen). If I had a 7th gen Celica or Mrk III MR2 withthis engine already in place, I would be happy I just do not believe this engine is a good canidate for a swap other than the "Hey, look what I did" factor.

Yes, that dyno is really crappy, a good check to see if a dyno is real is to see if HP and Tourque intersect at 5252rpm, HP and Torque are derivatives of eachother, and no matter what HP=Torque at 5252rpm

[Bitter]

when the lift point is lowered to 5700 rpm and the redline raised to 8700 rpm then the engine really starts to shine, that more like how yamaha had designed it to be ran, but for durability, warranty, and emissions reasons toyota raised lift and lowered redline.

[purplegt4]

that was only for the corolla xrs motor right?

[Bitter]

that was only for the corolla xrs motor right?

its the same damned motor, same way i have the ST motor and GT's have the Camry motor.

[Negative]

Yeah but there is something different about the ECU that gives it less HP or something. I'm not sure of the specifics but a guy in our Toyota club was bitching about how the Matrix XRS and the Celica GTS got 20 more HP or something than his Corolla XRS.
IDK - never really gave a $hit but I assume the motor is the same.