Need help deciding if I should sell out...., How can you put up with FWD? Options

[tomazws]

The only RWD car I've driven is my old 92' Toyota Pickup truck. I don't know if it's even a valid comparison... But I do like the accelaration on the 92' pickup truck more than my current Celica.

[Jeremiah]

I re-read some of those articles...

Looks like they were referring to turning... said the barrier is typically around 200 HP before experiencing bad under steer - whoops

"typical" varies from car to car, wheel to wheel, turn to turn, tire to tire, driver to driver.... so, we may have guys here that can get well past 200 HP and still hold their lines?!?!

[lagos]

Last dyno was at 245 whp. Its in no way to much. Right now, I want more and more.

I think the magic number should be moved up to 350 whp in a FWD. Of course throttle control comes into play at these numbers. You can't expect to stomp on the gas and not brake loose.

Itchy should be hitting around that number right now. I'm still waiting to see the full tune & higher boost. But it looks very promising as of right now.

2x

im at 247hp 270tq at the wheels and i feel like i want MORE POWER. sure i can break the tires loose if i want to or get some torque steer... but a lot of that stuff is what makes the celica fun on the street. i remember watching the vid of jeff smoking tires through 1st and 2nd gear on a slightly wet road, and thinking, "HELL YEAH MAN", instead of saying "look at that terrible traction loss of the fwd paltform". now dont get me wrong, there does come a point where your making too much power for it to become useful, but like jeff said, i think thats somwhere around the 350+ range. your traction in the 200-300hp range can all be controlled by your right foot, a boost controller, and some good street tires.

now having said that, my next car will probably be awd. why? because i plan to go above that 350hp range.

[Defgeph]

Two things I want to add here.

My handling characteristics are different than other 3s swappers, I don't have power steering. So I don't experience as much torque steer as others. Tires breaking loose should be about the same. Just a matter of what tire you are running. I am definately not running the right set of tires. Soon this will change.

Second thing, I know a person who had a 6th gen. He bought a clip, started the swap. He then stopped in the begining and sold everything to buy a 240SX. One year later I find out he sold the 240 and bought a brand new SRT4. So he has the SRT4 which he loves. Which is a nice car, very quick on the street. This person still has love for the 6th gen, and will one day buy another one and do the 3s swap.

I dont think people should have this fear of FWD. With the right planning, you can almost completely overcome this hurdle. It just takes money, time, & patience.

[Defgeph]

i remember watching the vid of jeff smoking tires through 1st and 2nd gear on a slightly wet road, and thinking, "HELL YEAH MAN", instead of saying "look at that terrible traction loss of the fwd paltform".

That was second gear only playboy.

The blow off you hear in the video is throttle control, I never shifted. Until the end, when I took off. I was trying to keep the car from pulling away. That obviously didnt work.


I agree with your statements above

This post has been edited by defgeph: Apr 27, 2007 - 7:23 PM

[lagos]

post up a link to the vid! haha


i guess the basic point here is this:
rwd and awd cars are better then fwd. there is no doubt about it. however the fwd platform is far from worthless. go watch some srt4 or very built honda videos on streetfire to see just how fun fwd can be.

[Defgeph]

post up a link to the vid! haha

word up



I can't wait to do another one this year.