engine swaps, ive heard but dont know much about Options

[CelicaST_CALI]

Ive heard of all these enginge swaps but really dont know much about it.What enginge is the same as the corola.Thats wat i have in my car right now,my dad put it in about a year ago, i only got the car about 6 months ago and im kinda interested in it if its in my price range.Its a 1994 ST coupe.

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: Apr 28, 2007 - 2:10 PM

[95CelicaST]

the ST has a 1.8L 7A-FE, some corollas do have this, but it might be a 1.6L 4A-FE which is basically the same thing.

If you want to do an engine swap I would go with a 4A-GE - as it is the easiest to swap into an ST.

[CelicaST_CALI]

no its the 1.8 liter 7A-FE is guess but i know its a 1.8.How much more power would 4A-GE give me and the price.I dont really care if its hard my bro has his own shop and can probly help me out with it.

[95CelicaST]

Depends on what 4AGE you want. The 4AGE that comes in the Corolla GTS has ~130HP, 4AGZE(supercharged) from 80's MR2 has ~140HP, the Silvertop 20V 4AGE has ~160hp and the Blacktop 20V 4AGE has ~165HP. There is also a 4AGZE from the AE101 Corolla Levin that has ~170HP. Price is all dependant on engine condition, location, company, etc.

[CelicaST_CALI]

Yea i think i 160-165HP is plenty for me!So i guess its between the Silvertop 20V 4AGE and the Blacktop 20V 4AGE.Also im going to do a some performace mods,such as,air intake,header,exahast,etc.IS there any problems with adding any of those??How much u think either of these engines would roughly cost?thx for the help

[pokemeintheeye]

You should think about the blacktop 20v head swap. That'll be a good project. But, if you want something cheaper the silvertop is a good choice. Since you have a brother with a shop you might as well go with the head swap.

Blacktops go for anywhere around $1000 - $2000. Silvertops will be $600 - $1000. Thats engine, transmission, ecu and wiring harness.

[CelicaST_CALI]

yea i found a silvertop on ebay for 795$ and its in good condition it looks like.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Toyota-Celi...sspagenameZWDVW

[lagos]

keep in mind that the silver tops power output is way over rated. it puts out about 120hp at the wheels or less. probably a 20hp gain from your old motor.

[j0e_p3t]

i'd go with a 6-speed black top.

[CelicaST_CALI]

y would it only add 20 hp,he said 160 hp wth

[Hanyo]

y would it only add 20 hp,he said 160 hp wth

because toyota over rated this motor from factory.

toyota claimed that the silver top will put out 160-ish horsepower. But inreality its much less.

So when you do, do this swap. Dont be too shocked your only puting out 120 hp to the wheels.

[j0e_p3t]

the silvertops claim to be 160 hp at the crank by toyota. but the actual estimate is only like 140ish at the crank. 20 hp gain is a lil low. probably somewhere between 25-35 hp increase. but i've never heard anyone complain with their 4age. most people who swap the 4age are just looking for a lil upgrade over the 7a and not boost happy.

[netrata]

I'd listen to Lagos, Hanyo, and Joe Pet. Like they mentioned earlier, it will NOT be a drastic change in HP over the 7AFE. For me, I went with the Silvertop because it shares the same stronger bottom end as the AE101 4AGZE. So if ever I wanted to put more money down into the engine to gain more HP, it would be a better engine to do it with over the blacktop. Sure I won't be able to run open ITB's, but I can still gain more HP with better aftermarket parts. You will run into some maintenance parts issues, so please do your research. On the other hand, I am very pleased with the swap. It's not a 3S, but it's good enough for everyday driving.

[CelicaST_CALI]

ok i want to pay around 2000$ on performance for my car.Is it better just to get a big powerfull engine or just stay with my engine and modify the crap out of it?

[DSToyo]

^probably swap the engine. but how many miles you got on yours now?

[j0e_p3t]

not much potential with the 7a. if you plan on going over 250 whp, i suggest you save your money for a 3s/v6.

[CelicaST_CALI]

ok well as i said i have around 2000$ to devote to the performance of my car,wats the best way to get power.If 2000 wont add over 30-60 hp then i say **** it and ill save for a 3s/v6

[netrata]

Yes do save till it's time to do a swap that is worth doing.

[syaoran60085]

if i may recommend, i would go for 4AGZE than a silvertop and blacktop for a good reason. it's streetable or drivable in the street plus it have a nice low end torque in low revs with good acceleration response than the silvertop and blacktop.

back then i was thinking of going for silvertop, but then i was thinking about torque and response of the engine then compared it with 4AGZE, 4AGE silvertop, and 4AGE blacktop.

so if you want more power and good low end torque from lower revs that is drivable in the streets, i'd go for AE101 4AGZE
it have 170hp and you can crank it up to 200hp with some modification to the supercharger or so forth which i dont know the full details about it yet. that's what i am planning to do with my 95 Celica ST manual since it's cheaper and more easier swapping.

plus lighter engine with supercharger so it'll be a good daily or fun ride with good manuevers, cornering and makes your celica alittle lighter than before, and good for using on track if you're into putting your celica in track.

(note: for you all confused i said 95 ST, i owned two celicas now, one is celica gt auto. and other one is celica st manual)

This post has been edited by syaoran60085: May 3, 2007 - 11:44 PM

[netrata]

x2 More work to put a AE101 4AGZE over a 20v but it will be well worth it at the end when you know it's running right.

This post has been edited by netrata: May 3, 2007 - 11:50 PM