94's 1.6? Options

[shubert_ae102]

sup guys , im new to the forum , however i dont have a celica , but a 94 corolla . from what i understand , the 94 celica st shared motors with its cousin the corolla in the same year , 4afe right? i think so .

anyway , seems every one in the corolla community is spinnin there wheels tryin to figure out how to do the infamous 3sgte swap into the corolla. i seen some celica's that bared the 1.6 sporting this swap . i know its not a bolt in replacement , nor a plug and play engine . also in this months turbo and high performance magazine , theres an editor telling a kid the this will be a strait bolt in swap. ???? somebody shed some light for me . is it or isnt it? i know that i will need the 3sgte out of an mr2 , cause the alltrac tranny is useless here in the states , considering the only thing alltrac was the 91 corolla wagon and it bears a complete different transfer case and tranny. i know i can also use the e153 double syncrinizer 5-speed out of the rare v-6 camry. what about the motor mounts ? you guys know of anywhere or anyone that might make a mount relocation or altering kit? also did the power steering , a/c , and cooling system suffice with the st's exhisting 1.6 setup? such as a/c working w/o freezing up , power steering hoses and pressures fitting the rack and pinion? and also the radiator being an efficient cooling for the 3sgte?

last thing , any body on here have a st with a 4agze swap ? you guys would be amazed at how many parts the corolla and celica share on the chassis 94 and earlier.

thanks in advanced for your help.

[Bigwaaagh]

All 6th gen. Celica st's have a 1.8 7afe engine, not the 1.6 4afe. Those engines do share the same "mounting pattern" as they are both A-series engines, so a 4a engine could be bolted in right where a 7afe was.

To place a 3sgte in a celica st means you have to change the motormounts, as it is an S-series engine. This would also be the case in a corolla, but I don't know if the engine will even fit in the engine compartiment. I'm not sure if the 1.6 cooling would be enough, but I would not bet on it.

And then it's also getting the wiring and all done, which would be a whole lot of work as it also is with a celica (with just about every engine swap).

I'm not an expert on this matter, but I know it's far from a straight bolt-in swap.
As far as celica 4a swaps go, I only know of some with the 4age swap on 6gc.net.

Hope that helps a bit...

This post has been edited by Bigwaaagh: Jun 25, 2007 - 3:28 AM

[jdg371]

the 4agze was tried on the Celica but unknown if any succeeded. IMO the 4AGZE would be the best swap for your corolla, in ae92gts.com they tried the common swap and achieved 170whp in exchange. For the corolla to have the 3SGTE mount modfication and cut/weld will be necessary. not impossible, just rarely tried.

[shubert_ae102]

i know i can get tweak to do the harness , i know that the 3s will fit into the engine bay , just wondering how some of you celica guys go about doin it to the st's that were never meant for the s series. tweak quoted me $8000 for a turnkey swap , but thats a bit much . ill will probably go with the gze , considering the 20v's were never offered here in the states and sourcing replacement parts would be a headache. i have also seen the hks twin charge system for the gze's , says can put down around 350 ft-lb. torque when tuned properly.

jdg 371 says: "for the corollato have 3sgte , mount modification , and cut and weld will be neccasary."

is this true for the celica st's as well?

[jdg371]

For the Celica it is much easier due to the fact that there were Celicas made with the S series engine.