which 3sgte did you swappers use?, which one? Options

[Wishful3S-GTE]

Ok, so I've been reading all these posts about which swap to do. I myself just simply like the ST205 more. Now would it be too much to ask for someone to list the minimum required parts to make the ST205 swap? Oh and how hard would it be to make it AWD too?

[AJcelica]

is there any reason you like the st205 more? or does that extra 30 hp just appeal to you? the extra cost for that little (well not little but not big either) gain in power is not worth it IMO

if you get a front clip then you won't have to search for as many parts as if you were to just get the engine/ecu... ask anyone, the front clip is priceless in this situation

to make the car AWD would cost alot... basically you'll have to get the rear clip off an st205 and swap most of the rear end bits...

i'm under the impression that a car which has to be welded together isn't as reliable just keeping it FWD also you'll have to get one of those things that holds the chasis straight so that it doesn't buckle as you're taking it apart/putting it together

[Wishful3S-GTE]

Ok ... thanks for the info. By the way ... the 30 HP doesn't mean much to me, I just simply like the looks of the ST205 better. I know most of you don't give a crap ... but I'm one of those people that likes the looks of their car too. But in any case, thanks. By the way ... what about the engine swap, does it just fit right in or are there any extra parts needed or any that need to be replaced?

[kuya1284]

QUOTE (Wishful3S-GTE @ Aug 5, 2003 - 9:46 PM)

Ok ... thanks for the info. By the way ... the 30 HP doesn't mean much to me, I just simply like the looks of the ST205 better. I know most of you don't give a crap ... but I'm one of those people that likes the looks of their car too. But in any case, thanks. By the way ... what about the engine swap, does it just fit right in or are there any extra parts needed or any that need to be replaced?

The looks? Oh man... $2000 extra is alot just for looks my friend...

As for extra parts, you'll need different things such as a new tranny. Just do a search in the forum... I listed a bunch of stuff that you will/may need...

[Wishful3S-GTE]

Thanks. Yea .... you think I'm crazy to throw money out like that ... but hey ... I think it's worth it and if I'm gonna throw money into a car it better be somethin I really like. But yea .. thanks, I'll do some searchin.

[AJcelica]

the looks of the engine?

dude... with $2000 you could crome a bunch of stuff under the hood on the ST185

do the engines really look that different anyway?

[Wishful3S-GTE]

Nevermind .... I'll drop this. It's pointless, but I still appreciate the help. Thanks.

Signed by

The idiot that likes to waste his money ...

[kuya1284]

QUOTE (AJcelica @ Aug 5, 2003 - 10:36 PM)

the looks of the engine? dude... with $2000 you could crome a bunch of stuff under the hood on the ST185 do the engines really look that different anyway?

No not really... the only significant difference that everyone will notice is the A/W IC... everything else (for the most part) looks practically the same. There are a few subtle (visual) differences... but they pretty much look the same...

*yawn*

[scothaniel]

Yeah, looks wise they are very similar. In fact can you tell them apart (yes these are all 5th gens):








The first question thing I'd have to ask is what type of IC are you going to use - stock top mount or front mount? If you use a top mount, you'll have to get the 205 hood, otherwise you wont get any air to the IC and it will be pretty inefficient. The 185 IC can cook hot dogs after an hour of driving (not joking, we've actually done it once!). The 185RC / 205 IC is far better and more efficient, but it will still heat up with no air flow.

The other option is a front mount, which is really easy to do on the 6th gen's. I bought an IC and all the piping for under $400 (still need to get it welded though). Finding a 205 clip with the full IC system intact is more difficult, and more costly.

I've seen partial clips without the IC, without body panels, and sometimes without the turbo for around $2200. As long as you have the manifold, you can put on any Toyota CT based turbo, or get an adapter for $75 and install a T3 based turbo. With IC, turbo, and body panels expect $4000.

[Stipt]

Nice post scothaniel, I think you summed up this up