3rd Gen 3sge question Options

[nics]

Gen 3
The third generation 3S-GE was produced from 1994 to 1999. Power output was increased to 177 bhp (132 kW, 180 PS) over the gen 2, while torque figures stayed the same. Non JDM 3S-GE motors received a minor revision in 1996 for emissions (EGR) which reduced power output to 173 bhp (125 kW, 170 PS) @ 7000 rpm.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_3S-GE_engine

http://www.beams-redtop.com/history.htm

Does anybody know more details about this and might wanna share? Especially Celi owners from UK. Thanks

This post has been edited by nics: May 7, 2010 - 11:58 AM

[bccentaur3]

What did you want to know?

There is the beams 3sge and acis 3sge

[nics]

it was on bold on the quotes at my original post. i would like to know more about that EGR emmissions revision for the 3rd gen 3sge AKA ACIS 3sge.

[Rusty]

lol I add that non JDM motors part (It was annoying me, as people here in NZ were saying oh my celica has egr)


what do you want to know about it?


I've found these from "post a pic of your engine bay" thats as close as they get sorry





This post has been edited by Rusty: May 7, 2010 - 4:49 PM

[nics]

i would like to know about the if EGR system in the 3sge is the same as the one in the USDM spec 5sfe.

the reason is if this 3sge has an egr system, would this pass the emmissons ref for visual inspection in a 3sge engine swap in cali? thanks for the pics.

is your engine bay one of those two pics?



This post has been edited by nics: May 7, 2010 - 4:49 PM

[Rusty]

ST204 EGR

EGR


do you have a picture of the 5S-FE EGR system setup??

hmm it does the same job, but to the same level as yours I'm unsure.

This post has been edited by Rusty: May 7, 2010 - 7:17 PM

[nics]

image courtesy of EKan



behind the intake manifold.

So if i get a 3sge from ebay which I believe dont come with the EGR system, then I get all the necessary parts for the EGR system like the pics in your 1st post, IDK if this is a dumb question but does the 3sge needs to be fabricated to install the EGR system?

your post above shows redX. if you got time, screen shot please. thanks

This post has been edited by nics: May 7, 2010 - 5:25 PM

[nics]

So Rusty, yours doesnt have an EGR, correct?

[Rusty]

my 3sge head looks as though there is an indent/ or a blank where the EGR would be. My guess is that they recieved extra porting for it to work (since I'd doubt toyota would make a new head for just the european market more cost effient for them to redo the intake manifold)
IMO best bet would be to find the EGR model (from a LHD ST202) and install that



yup mine (and other ST202 with 3S-GE from JAPAN) never had EGR

how are those pics sorry? they look a bit crappy will fix them up a bit more if you want??

[nics]

So Euro market has this EGR revision.

Does it need to be from a LHD ST202?

Pics are fine. I really appreciate it. I will try to find a this 3s that is for sale. All the ones on ebay are from japan. I will check on the Euro sites.

We need detailed pics of the head of a non-EGR vs EGR.

[Kwanza26]

If you're looking to do a legal swap... the 3rd gen 3SGE is NOT legal in CA regardless of EGR or any type of emission equipment. Why? The engine was never available in the United States...

[nics]

Hmm i see.

[Rusty]

LHD ST202 3S-GE - easier swap in no need for extending the harness etc



Oh well really? so what do people in Cal. do for power? 5S/7A +T

[nics]

no smog legal application for the 5s/7a turbo.

most swap done here are underground. people bribe to pass smog.

[Kwanza26]

1/3MZFE can be legal... 2ZZGE can be legal, I've seen a USDM MR2 turbo swap into a 95 Celica GT BAR'd and legal... but that's highly dependent on who is your BAR ref.

[Rusty]

what about the 2nd gen 3S-GE from ST182's but with a JDM intake mainfold that mysteriously looks the same as the 3rd gen 3sge


so it really pays to know someone in the business

[nics]

1/3MZFE can be legal... 2ZZGE can be legal, I've seen a USDM MR2 turbo swap into a 95 Celica GT BAR'd and legal... but that's highly dependent on who is your BAR ref.

1/3mzfe - i dont have the skills to do it myself. hard to find a trusted mechanic

2zzge - need to search more info

3sgte - from an mr2 are hard to come by - this is the best bet actually

what about the 2nd gen 3S-GE from ST182's but with a JDM intake mainfold that mysteriously looks the same as the 3rd gen 3sge


so it really pays to know someone in the business

st182 - didnt search about it but im pretty sure is not available here. st184 is and is powered by 5sfe

also cali engine change says that the engine must be of the same year or newer