3sge? 3sgte? Options

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

my bad but what the heck is the difference between a 3sge and 3sgte? i know the engine 3sgte but never heard of 3sge? is that an MR2 engine or something? anyways help me. i mean 2nd generation 3sge - is it strong? how much HP? let me know. thanks.

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

to make things easier...i did search but it was no help because people are writing about swaps...not what these engines are...

no neg feeds plz

[orvillescelica]

Basically, the difference is the 't.' And that 't' stand for Turbo. The 3sgte is a facorty turbocharged engine whereas the 3sge is not. There are a few differences here and there, but other than that they are the same exact engine except one is turbocharged and the other is not.

The MR2 came with a 2nd gen 3sgte. The Celica came with the 3sge in other countries. Both are strong engines indeed. the 2nd gen 3sgte will give out about 220 hp and then 3sge about 170 hp. Those numbers are off the top of my head and could be made up. So please check these or someone correct me.

[erics1one]

Do the ge and gte have the same internals?

[946thGenGT]

Do the ge and gte have the same internals?
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Not exactly no. I don't know specfics but I imagine there are similarities... I do know that throwing a turbo on a 3sge doesn't necessarily put it at the same level as a 3sgte.

Also there are several different generations of both 3sge's and 3sgte's. The 3sge ranges from 135hp->~170hp(?). The 3sgte ranges from about 190hp-255hp.

[Kadett]

I have a 3S-GE engine in the car. Its stock at 177 bhp. Dont know about the internal parts tho!

[erics1one]

So basically the 3SGE is gonna have NA pistons, rods, etc. and 3SGTE is gonna have FI (stronger) pistons, rods, etc?

If this is true...that mean its just as risky turboing a 3SGE as a 5SFE, since both have NA internals?

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

i am asking all this cause im buying a 87 mr2 shell and the guy said he'll throw me in a 3sge engine. so i figure i've never seen or heard of the 3sge. so i just wanna ask yall if its a good engine or whatnot.

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

by the way...he said it was a 2nd generation mr2 engine non-turbo? unfamilar with mr2s....

[BLADDER_MASTER]

3S-GE's range from 135HP-210HP depending on generation. From what I hear most of the internals are the same except for the pistons (N/A's run a higher compression ratio). The best way to know is to cross check the part numbers of the parts between the 3S-GTE and 3S-GE to see if they match. Aside from that, the 1st and 2nd gen 3S-GTE came with T-VIS while the 3rd gen 3S-GTE came without T-VIS. The 1st gen 3S-GE came with T-VIS while the 2nd and 3rd gen 3S-GE came with ACIS. The 4th gen 3S-GE came with VVT-i (Celica, MR2) or Dual VVT-i (Altezza). The head and block are the same between the 3S-GTE and the 3S-GE except for the 4th gen 3S-GE that came in the Altezza. To sum things up:

4th gen Celica (US, UK, JP) = 1st gen 3S-GE (135HP) (T-VIS)
5th gen Celica (UK, JP) = 2nd gen 3S-GE (160HP) (ACIS)
6th gen Celica (UK, JP) = 3rd gen 3S-GE (177HP) (ACIS) and 4th gen 3S-GE (200HP) (VVT-i)

2nd gen MR2 (UK, JP) = 2nd gen 3S-GE (160HP) (ACIS), 3rd gen 3S-GE (177HP) (ACIS), and 4th gen 3S-GE (200HP) (VVT-i)

[erics1one]

^^^

Now thats what I call useful info! Thanks Bladder

[BLADDER_MASTER]

i am asking all this cause im buying a 87 mr2 shell and the guy said he'll throw me in a 3sge engine.  so i figure i've never seen or heard of the 3sge.  so i just wanna ask yall if its a good engine or whatnot.
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I see a problem with that. 1st gen MR2's came with 4A engines. So you're going to have to modify the engine mounts on the MR2 to accomodate the 3S-GE. Also you're going to have a nightmare wiring up the 3S-GE onto the MR2. Would be a lot easier if you had a 2nd gen MR2.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

So basically the 3SGE is gonna have NA pistons, rods, etc. and 3SGTE is gonna have FI (stronger) pistons, rods, etc?

If this is true...that mean its just as risky turboing a 3SGE as a 5SFE, since both have NA internals?
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Not necessarily. From what the MR2 guys have been saying, the 3S-GE shares most of the internals with the 3S-GTE except for the pistons and maybe some other stuff. I would imagine both the 3S-GE and the 5S-FE would be tricky to boost but I say it's possible. All depending on how it's tuned of course. Take a look at this:

http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321

If you notice, he only changed the pistons and rods on the block. If the 3S-GE was really weak, I would imagine the owner upgrading more engine block parts. But the point that i'm trying to make with that link is that boosting a 3S-GE can be done. Anywho, the cool thing about having a 3S-GE is that whenever you feel the need to go boost, you can just swap parts with the 3S-GTE.

[BLADDER_MASTER]

^^^

Now thats what I call useful info!  Thanks Bladder
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No problem.

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

^^^

Now thats what I call useful info!  Thanks Bladder
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No problem.
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dayem man...that's very useful info...thanks for everyone who replied in this forum...it did help a lot...

[karmichael420]

my bad but what the heck is the difference between a 3sge and 3sgte? i know the engine 3sgte but never heard of 3sge? is that an MR2 engine or something? anyways help me. i mean 2nd generation 3sge - is it strong? how much HP? let me know. thanks.

hey whats up. i got an 91 mr2 with a 3sge engine in it,basically its a 3sgte without the turbo.the turbo mr2's normally used the powerplant of the 2nd generation 3sge and obtained 200hp stock. i put the 3sge 3rd generation which is 175-185 on just motor then i put racing headers ,cat back exhaust,cold air intake .im running 250hp now on just my motor(no turbos)its fast.the best base block to start with is the 4th generation 3sge (very rare)also know as the 3sge BEAMS,its 220hp stock on just motor .

[CaliJeff]

Refer to this as well

http://www.6gc.net/information/13

[OOBE]

my bad but what the heck is the difference between a 3sge and 3sgte? i know the engine 3sgte but never heard of 3sge? is that an MR2 engine or something? anyways help me. i mean 2nd generation 3sge - is it strong? how much HP? let me know. thanks.

hey whats up. i got an 91 mr2 with a 3sge engine in it,basically its a 3sgte without the turbo.the turbo mr2's normally used the powerplant of the 2nd generation 3sge and obtained 200hp stock. i put the 3sge 3rd generation which is 175-185 on just motor then i put racing headers ,cat back exhaust,cold air intake .im running 250hp now on just my motor(no turbos)its fast.the best base block to start with is the 4th generation 3sge (very rare)also know as the 3sge BEAMS,its 220hp stock on just motor .

Do you realize that you revived a two year-old thread and even worse, the guy you're writing to is not even registered anymore?

[Racer_J]

I have a 3S-GE engine in the car. Its stock at 177 bhp. Dont know about the internal parts tho!

Hey, I thought your car had a 3SGTE for some reason!!