 5SFE and 3SGTE flywheels, Are they the same? |
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 Jul 2, 2005 - 12:54 PM
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Do they both bolt to the crank in the same way?
If I remember correctly the pressure plate is interchangeable for both but I don't know if they mount to the crank in the same way. --------------------  Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 2, 2005 - 1:00 PM
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you need a 3sgte flywheel and 3s pressure plate
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Jul 2, 2005 - 1:08 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
So are you saying that the 5S flywheel will not bolt up to the 3S crank?
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Jul 2, 2005 - 1:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
no i dont think it will. the 3s flywheel is larger then the 5s one
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Jul 2, 2005 - 3:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Thanks Lagos.
Larger in what sense though? Diameter, thickness, bolt pattern? -------------------- Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:04 PM
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the flywheel will bolt up! the diameter surface area is a little different where the clutch sits and the 5s flywheel is deffintely heavier!
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Thanks, that's great news!
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 21, '03 From Pennsylvania Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
why would you want to use the 5s wheel though?
it is heavier..... use the 3s one if you got it for less rotating mass. -------------------- |
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I was hoping this wouldn't come up, but I'll actually be using the flexplate not the fly wheel. I just hope I'm not tormented for the rest of my life as a Celica owner.
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:36 PM
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QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:23 AM) I was hoping this wouldn't come up, but I'll actually be using the flexplate not the fly wheel. I just hope I'm not tormented for the rest of my life as a Celica owner. [right][snapback]307745[/snapback][/right] The flexplate is for AUTO trannies only... so unless you're gonna be AUTO... you can't use it. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up.
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM) Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up. [right][snapback]307748[/snapback][/right] Just so you know... if your idea is to run a 3SGTE with an auto tranny... you're gonna run into a brick wall unless you're clever with ECU's... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Jul 2, 2005 - 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM) Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up. [right][snapback]307748[/snapback][/right]  Is it true that the 3SGTE never came in auto? -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Jul 2, 2005 - 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:57 AM) QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM) Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up. [right][snapback]307748[/snapback][/right] Is it true that the 3SGTE never came in auto? [right][snapback]307758[/snapback][/right] They did... but not in Celicas. They came with tiptronic auto in the later model Caldina GT-4's... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Jul 2, 2005 - 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 4:01 AM) QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:57 AM) QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM) Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up. [right][snapback]307748[/snapback][/right] Is it true that the 3SGTE never came in auto? [right][snapback]307758[/snapback][/right] They did... but not in Celicas. They came with tiptronic auto in the later model Caldina GT-4's... [right][snapback]307760[/snapback][/right] What I should have asked is did they ever come in a FWD (or MR) auto tranny. There weren't any automatic MR2 Turbos either? -Doc -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Jul 3, 2005 - 2:34 AM
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QUOTE(Dr_Tweak @ Jul 3, 2005 - 4:06 AM) What I should have asked is did they ever come in a FWD (or MR) auto tranny. There weren't any automatic MR2 Turbos either? -Doc [right][snapback]307761[/snapback][/right] Nope... none that I know of at least. I think the only time the 3SGTE was mounted in an FF (or MR) configuration was in the MR2... and the turbo version were all 5 speed... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Jul 3, 2005 - 8:45 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jul 2, 2005 - 10:56 PM) QUOTE(WannabeGT4 @ Jul 3, 2005 - 3:37 AM) Yeah. I know what a flexplate is. That's why I was hoping it wouldn't come up. [right][snapback]307748[/snapback][/right] Just so you know... if your idea is to run a 3SGTE with an auto tranny... you're gonna run into a brick wall unless you're clever with ECU's... [right][snapback]307756[/snapback][/right] That's why I made this thread as well: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=26491 I hope to be able to use the stock 5SFE ECU to control the auto tranny while the megasquirt controls the rest. I figure if I can feed the 5SFE ECU just enough information to get it to shift correctly I won't have to be that "clever". -------------------- Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 3, 2005 - 12:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
i guess some people just like to learn the hard way why an automatic 3s swap is not a good idea.
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Jul 3, 2005 - 1:00 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 3, 2005 - 12:52 PM) i guess some people just like to learn the hard way why an automatic 3s swap is not a good idea. [right][snapback]307934[/snapback][/right] I didn't ask for your opinion. It's never been done. I'd like to do it. If I don't like it or if it breaks I've got almost all the manual parts to do the swap. -------------------- Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Jul 3, 2005 - 1:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
it has been done. somone did it in a 5th gen swap. the car ran mid 15s and the auto tranny started to slip because it couldnt hold the power.
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