RE: Mod Abuse, A Fresh Start. Options

[hongkongnerdboy]

i think what it means is that the more posts, and time teh person has spent on here will increase teh "rep" with or without the rep meter. trust is big but nto selling anything til a person has "x" number of posts so it is easier to trust that person.

anyone can reach a "x" number of posts. i do not find that hard to accomplish.

you obviously havent been here very long

really? i notice you only been on here 4 months longer than i have

[Batman722]

i think what it means is that the more posts, and time teh person has spent on here will increase teh "rep" with or without the rep meter. trust is big but nto selling anything til a person has "x" number of posts so it is easier to trust that person.

anyone can reach a "x" number of posts. i do not find that hard to accomplish.

you obviously havent been here very long

really? i notice you only been on here 4 months longer than i have

Let me repeat myself. If you cannot act in a mature manner I do not want you in this thread.

Do not attack each other, do not bicker, leave you attitudes at the door. Have an educated discussion.

Thank you and good night,
DEF

[hongkongnerdboy]

i am not bickering or attacking, i am simply giving an educated answer with no attitude

[lagos]

I have been a member of this site longer the most of the people that are in here posting. I personally know presure2 and defgeph who are on the moderating staff and have been members for a few years. On the other hand I also know 95st-celica who joined about a year ago and is voicing his concerns with the rest of the guys.

I would just like to say that I was a little disappointed in the "if you dont like it gtfo" comments. Im not sure who exactly said it in the last post, but thats not how we should be treating new members. Most of us who have been on here for a long time are used to how this site is run and are cool with it.... but if a few of the newer guys want to speak up about an issue they have, they should be allowed to, and their opinion (good/bad) should be taken into account. Without them, this community will never have a chance to grow.

I am also disappointed that Coomer is not an active member of this site. This place really needs an admin when these kinds of issues come up.

This post has been edited by lagos: Mar 13, 2008 - 12:59 AM

[95st-celica]

i think what it means is that the more posts, and time teh person has spent on here will increase teh "rep" with or without the rep meter. trust is big but nto selling anything til a person has "x" number of posts so it is easier to trust that person.

anyone can reach a "x" number of posts. i do not find that hard to accomplish.

you obviously havent been here very long

really? i notice you only been on here 4 months longer than i have

i didnt mean to sound like an asshole..im just sayin...plus i have been here a lot longer then it says i joined...mabe a year or 2

[njccmd2002]

Thumbs up for the moderating team, everynow and then we might cross the line, ive done it. But I also try to help, as far as to my knowledge. I am a member for almost a year now, and ever since i bought my celica i have not had a more fun car, and more pleasant time but spending time in the forums.

My wife tells me i have no other life other than 6gc.net. Not true, i have one of the most worderful jobs, and excellent family life. But im addicted to 6gc, cause im addicted to my car. Always looking for something new.

However, it is dissapointing to have to read 25k posts in order to find something useful. And see many members ask questions, nobody helping them, because everybody is more interesting in bashing, attacking, or posting remarks out of envy towards another. Opinion is a very powerful weapon, if you dont know how to use it, dont.

My opinion as simple as it is, can hurt somebody. If i know i will offend, then i shut myself. Im 31 years old with 8 years of post high school education. Life has taught me well, and so did my parents.

I love the site, and like I said before, free services do not last long, especially when you complain about it. remeber when coomer had problems with the site, couple months ago. I tought it got shut down, i was scared and so were many. So lets protect our free Investment.

Try to go get some free samples from SamsClub or Costo clubs, complain, then ask for more.. I dont think you will get a smile out of it.

yes its tru we prolly need more moderators, then again not for us to decide. Our contributions are based on requests, not demands.

We are help to help one another, not attack. I would like to meet the moderators and coomer one day, but im too far away, and in a few years prolly wont have time.

So, by being respectful and mindful of our cultural and age difference we can continue to grow.

There are other forums out there, yes, they let everybody do almost anything, yes. But thats it, they are others. We are

6GC

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Mar 13, 2008 - 1:13 AM

[SlickRick]

I think this whole thing is a bit over blown. I do feel Mods from time to time are hypocritical when saying a thread is pointless in the off topic section, then leaving one last equally frivolous and obnoxious remark then closing the thread. Or closing one thread then saying ridiculous things like "any copy cat threads, and the starter will be banned." I have said it b4 and will say it again the mods on this site think they r the messiah when is comes to 6gc. Often times they alienate new comers, break the rules the say they enforce, and down right insult people. I personally only come 2 this site to talk 2 a few people I genuinely like and sell a few extra parts. I enjoy this site, however, since the mods think they have the right to shut down the 5th amendment I dont visit as much as b4 or tell other 6gc owners I meet about this site. Its a shame that a few people with arrogant attitudes on here are actively destroying the community they say they help.

This post has been edited by SlickRick: Mar 13, 2008 - 2:06 AM

[MaskedMan]

Just as lagos said, I too was disappointed to see some of the "stfu and gtfo" posts. I have been a member here for quite a long time now. Long enough to know that the main attraction to this site is not the information, but the kindness to new members. What I witnessed last night was a complete disregard to the feelings and opinions of new members.

I fully understand that the moderating team has been volunteering here for several years. Great appreciation for that. Closing threads and protecting the members of 6gc.net is your job. Just as writing tickets and protecting citizens are the duties of a police officer. There is no real nice way to do it, but some things must be done I understand. But as an authority figure, you should know that our members do look up to you. So rude comments before closing threads are unnecessary. Our members do learn from you and will only respond in such a way. Set a good example for our members and our members will become respectful. Years of being here is in no way an excuse for being disrespectful.

Threads like these come up every 6 months for a reason. And it is quite obviously as to why. People speak, and no one is heard. People speak, and once again, no one is heard. It seemed like the mentality of last night was "we are the way we are, we will not change". But isn't it the thoughts that has gotten the site to where it is today? Shouldn't we be constantly changing to meet the needs of our members? Remember way back when. Before we had the buyer reputation system, before we had the multimedia section, before we had high resolution photos as an option. What if we had just brushed those ideas off and told them to go to some other site which offers those things?

We need to hear the voices of new members. New or not, we are all humans, with ideas, with opinions. And they should be heard. We are all Celica enthusiasts yes. But we are so much more than just that. For each Celica, there is a driver, a person. We should always remember that.

[Defgeph]

I see the biggest complaint is a snide comment at the time of closure. In the future, we will try to be more careful not to hurt anyone's feeling when we close a thread.

I also see that you call us hypocrites. Of course we can be hypocritical at times. We are not the "gods" some members make us out to be. We are just a couple of guys with cars. Its human nature to make a mistake.



Thanks,
DEF

[speedfeen]

I havent been on this forum for long but I have been on forums before...even ones I have paid for and still continue to pay for... IMO this is almost better than the ones you do pay for...this is a reason why I still am here....i have been here 2-3 months and have already been beaten with the STFU and GTO stick...Although I do agree with some threads/posts being removed but I still scratch my head as to why my thread about the millitary was closed...i know this isnt about just that and I can leave that for another time...but i think that even if its a symbol or just a couple words from a mod to let us know someone is taking things out of hand I would agree with that...

Some ppl "report this post" because something someone has said bothers them...sometimes something that bothers someone doesnt bother the other person, but their thread gets closed due to that, but it was their fault...that may hard to understand it seems i talk in riddles at some times...and I agree as well with the snide comments...yes we may get upset with certain member but just maybe say closed if you have any Q's please PM me...thats fine isnt it? Im sure I can deal with that!!


In the end I know we cant complain that much because this is a free site and so far its okay...but when I read the rules it says respect the members....when did GTO and STFU become respectable appropriate manor to address others? And dont get my wrong I am NOT pointing fingers or naming names I am simply addressing my concerns as well...


I dont think we should be given 6million warnings, one is enough and if it seems the same person is causing all the trouble maybe a pm to personally warn them without the whole site to be able to see and if that doesnt work then BAM BAM with the ban hammer...

Maybe we jsut need a method

1- quick warn in the thread itself to straigten up
2- if consistant...PM the member
3- if this doesnt work BAN for a period of time or indefinately depending on the circumstances...


thats just my .02.......more like .10 but whos counting?



Feen

This post has been edited by speedfeen: Mar 13, 2008 - 9:14 AM

[Defgeph]

I will quickly reply I have to go to work. When someone uses the report a post button. It's never, and I mean never the two people bickering with each other. Its always a member outside of the fighting.

If you are wondering why your thread was closed, you can always PM us. We are happy to explain the reasons.

[D-Man]

eh-

it's not worth arguing over, i just wanted to throw in my .02 cents in the last round. I'm not trying to lead a revolution or...( 6gc revolution )... or anything like that; It's the mod's site, and the mod's gunna do what they want when they want. They own it, we dont. So whatever~

6gc revolution, that's funny. Retarded, but funny.

I do however agree with some of the insanely stupid threads, like (no offense to SpeedFeen; she didnt start it) but the one where the guy was "bat signaling" her? okay, that one was dumb. Thanks for closing that one. lol.

You guys run your site how you please, i was just stating my .02 cents in the last match.

i'mah shut up now.

[tonytutino]

i'll just say that this site is free. bottom line.
our mods are doing a great job keeping us in line because we are not just another forum as you all know

this is a community, without homeostasis we would turn into an awful, unsupervised forum. you guys are all getting mad about snide comments, but read what the mods are saying, they have been doing this for YEARS. hell, after a few years of doing the same thing over and over again i'd get a tad cynical about it too. you also must not forget they are doing this for free!

all in all, we just need to respect the mods and their decision to close/move topics. they weed the crap out so we aren't bogged down with useless ''this is how i got out of a ticket'' posts and what not.

keep it up guys

[njccmd2002]

i'll just say that this site is free. bottom line.
our mods are doing a great job keeping us in line because we are not just another forum as you all know

this is a community, without homeostasis we would turn into an awful, unsupervised forum. you guys are all getting mad about snide comments, but read what the mods are saying, they have been doing this for YEARS. hell, after a few years of doing the same thing over and over again i'd get a tad cynical about it too. you also must not forget they are doing this for free!

all in all, we just need to respect the mods and their decision to close/move topics. they weed the crap out so we aren't bogged down with useless ''this is how i got out of a ticket'' posts and what not.

keep it up guys

yeah, one thing to consider, not only the mods are here to help, I mean they have provided us with the report button, so we can help too.

If you see a for sale tread, with no fs, let the user know. Lets keep the site with tons of useful information, and not other stuff.

If you want to chat, and there is no embedded chat room, improvise using messenger, aim, or other stuff.

well, im falling asleep, so i hope we keep up the good work, have a pleasant day.

[D-Man]

i'd still like to donate a chat room. I know that thread is old and gone, but i have scripted chatrooms before, and i have a few scrips sitting arround...

If you all want em...

[Batman722]

I would just like to say that I was a little disappointed in the "if you dont like it gtfo" comments. Im not sure who exactly said it in the last post, but thats not how we should be treating new members. Without them, this community will never have a chance to grow.

Just as lagos said, I too was disappointed to see some of the "stfu and gtfo" posts.

I was one that wrote some "gtfo" and "stfu" comments. That was me that had been drinking tell how I really felt. Did I mean it ? yes I did. Why ? well I'll tell you.

The non-drinking sugar coated version - This site is run a certain way, different than other sites, I'm sure that you all can agree, it's been brought up time and time again. I see a lot of useless posts from certain members and it reminds me of how things were before when Andason got the boot. Example : what makes this thread different than the "pointless thread" from way back ? That has just turned into a blog/diary and a 19 page conversation between a few members which I thought wasn't permitted. And the same members that have problems with the mods are the main contributers to that thread.

Art, you wrote "Without them, this community will never have a chance to grow. " I agree with you 100%, my concern is what this community was growing into

[BlackCelicaGT94]

Andason - lol i miss that f'er.

Anyways i would like to applaud this thread for the maturity level of its content.

I think that STFU and GTFO should be written in like swear words where if you type it then it becomes ****

[GriffGirl]

[*] Issue Two: Another for sale thread has been brought up in this conversation. A member is thinking about selling his car. But its obvious to the people that know him that he is not thinking clearly. So other members that know him personally turn him in the right direction, to keep his car. Presure2 knows this member on a personal level. so he closed the thread. After the fact presure2 spoke with Daftboy on the phone and cleared his head right up. ...

My question is why do you feel that it is your place to question something as insignificant as this issue ? Its not your place. It was something that involved Presure2 & Daftboy, they resolved the issue and moved on. Please do not involve yourself in other member's matters.

I totally agree with your approach on the entire topic of the argument except what I have quoted above. I think I've been exceedingly clear that I see both sides of the argument, and that ultimately any discourse or disagreements should be handled with maturity not only to preserve the integrity of this site, but to also lend credibility to the person arguing a point. It's all about clear and concise communication.

That being said, the issue I take with what I've quoted above is the insistence that it is not anyone's place to interfere or comment on the above mentioned thread, that is was a personal thing between Pressure2 & Daftboy. I think that is completely inappropriate to even say.

If that's the case, then it should have been handled privately either through PMing or a phone call or whatever. This is a public forum and as such, anything in any of the threads, while it may not directly involve anyone other than the people in the thread, is public domain and as such is free to be commented on.

To end on a positive note, because it's not my intention to come here and just bitch and complain, I want to say that the reason I spend WAY more time on this site than on other Toyota forums or Celica forums is because not only is this a great community, but the site is a fountain of ideas and knowledge, run with dignity and respect. I'm not some stuck-up b1tch, and CERTAINLY not thin-skinned, but some of the banter and general b.s. that goes on on the other sites is just useless and a waste of time to me. I think we can all agree that while we may have our issues or disagreements, this site completely rocks, and that is due in equal part to the participants and the moderators here. We all comprise this community.

[playr158]

Andason
good times back in the day......and if I haven't been banned/mod previewed yet....then everyone else should be able to comply

its really not terribly difficult to go by the rules, most the time at least.
If you got a problem with a mod, PM them.....I know i've gone back and forth with'm a time or two.

Def good job with a level head +1 its what I like to see around here

and censoring GTFO & STFU....meh won't really do much some people just need to learn change.

[Supersprynt]