Waterbourne Paint, ppl are freaking about it over in these parts Options

[speedfeen]

Well, some of you may know (mostly the bodymen and automotive painters) that by January 1st, 2009, Waterbourne paint is going to be introduced to Canada to replace our Urethane Bases (color). This is not yet written in stone, but when the law passes EVERYONE will have to change their shops way of cleaning, disposing, spraying, and drying methods for the new Waterbourne Paint.

The reason why they are changing it is du eot High VOC's. Car Manufacturers produce the MOST VOC's in the world. You know whos next? The bodyshops!

Now some are against it and some are for it.

Most are against it because they believe that old technology is the way and always will be. The one thing that they see, against all others is the fact that they will have to pay to change their booth. A down-draft booth with enough air, flow can be converted, others have to be replaced due to lack of air flow. Therefore, you will no longer see back yard shops painting vehicles.

I just have to say that I was present at a seminar to introduce Waterbourne paints with BASF's Glasurit 90 Line Waterbourne Paint, yesterday. IT WAS NUTS! The guy can have a whole car flashed in 2-3 minutes! Thats nuts! Their primers can be left forever and be sanded without screwing up. You can wait a month if u wanted before you put clear on. The paint matches are better, it lays better, easier to spray, not as time consuming as Urethane, and there are endless possibilities. Now nothing will change with the paint. Pearls, metallics, and flakes can be used still. To clean the gun, you shoot distelled water through it, thats it! The guy smudged his finger ont he paint before it flashed and with the second coat, YOU couldnt even see his smudge! It takes 2 layers to complete a paint job. One mist coat, one heavy coat and one 1/2 coat. The 90 Line, doesnt even Smell! Safer for the techs to paint too. Air flashes it. Thats why u need better airflow and the nozzles that dissipate air better.

I can go on with this for days! This is the best innovative way for paint with less VOC!

Now before I go asking for oppinions, I want to say that California has been using Waterbourne paints for a while. Over seas in Europe have been suing them since the 80's! So its been around. If anyone has sprayed share with me ur experiances. I am very excited to see it come here. The legislation just has to pass the law then EVERYONE has to change. ANd by the way for those in the states, besides Cali, by 2010, the States will have to make this change too. So its coming no matter if you like it or not!

Whats your pros and cons on the subject....be great to hear about them!



feen

[hongkongnerdboy]

you amaze me

[presure2]

i havent had a chance to shoot anything water based yet, but from what ive read, it does seem to have its advantages.

[celicaGT96]

so can this be sprayed with an original hvlp gun?

[Zelstin]

i havent had a chance to shoot anything water based yet, but from what ive read, it does seem to have its advantages.

If you want i'll drive my car to Mass and you can have some practice. I'll even let you do it for free

[bccentaur3]

Shoot... If thats the case and IF money would do it for free. I'll drive all the way there from MN. lol.... But I can only dream.

[brthrurik]

I've used alot of auto grade waterbournes in my airbrush, mostly modeling stuff but never tried it in a larger scale. on the smaller stuff it is amazing simply because it lays down alot smoother and harder to flaw...

[D-Man]

Advantages; yes, i see them.

However, i have to stick up for the little guy. it sounds as if "Backyard" shops will have to close due to the fact that they cannot afford the change. What kind of price difference are we talking here?

Secondly, "Old timers" (my self included) are not big on change; and can be set in their (our) ways. When you KNOW how to do something one way, it is an insult and a slap in the face to say that our material isnt good enough, because that's saying our job isnt good enough. Farther more, it feel as if someone is telling them (us) that any jack-off with a can and a gun can do better than the years of experience that they've (i've) occurred over the years. And we say to p!ss off... lol.

Now i'm not knocking this paint, i'm just saying that maybe it should be a gradual change. Not an "over-night, do it my way or dont do it at all" kinda change.

Feen, i know that's not in your power, just my .02 cents...

But i'm happy to know that even for an old trade like painting, there is still such a jive and a want to better ourself and our technology. I will deff. have to look into this; and see if i'm to join this band-wagon.

Good job Feen, Keep up the good work. Keep us (me) informed. I'm excited to know how it all works out.

And you can paint my car too, it needs a new coat

(& your tranny )

[jcbass7]

Just my 2 cents, but i think the switch is a good thing. Yes some people will suffer and have to make a sacrifice to move over to this new paint, but its a step towards lowering air pollution. Now, i'm no tree hugger, but i do recognize the effect we have had on our environment and feel that change is a necessary part of the attempt to protect the world we live in.

However i guess this could be hypocritical of me since i aim to have a performance oriented engine that may not meet all emmissions laws.. but i have been taking steps to try to stay within regulations. (cats etc. I passed the sniffer!)

[speedfeen]

so can this be sprayed with an original hvlp gun?

yes you can

you will however need to purchase new guns for this paint






HOWEVER

for the change the costs range anywheres from 30,000$ to convert to 100,000$ to convert...

IF i can get a chance there is a shop in town that has switched already and i will see if i can get in and take pics of whats new.....AND these ppl need to hire some new ppl..... im going to put my resume in again cause the guy that was in my college course did work there but he quit.....but its crappy money so we'll have to see....cause at this point its about the money....maybe in a couple months it wont be but well see...


if i can get some pics of this shop to show you guys i will....

thanks for some of the compliments .....


Presure2
it does have its advantages as it does disadvantages but what doesnt? Once you spray you will have your own thoughts about this product...hopefully good ones...your a bodyman? You still use urethane?



feen

[95celgt]

i spray the urethane and i love it, ive sprayed water on once and the paint felt to thin

[elvasoshexai]

so does this paint hold up better or worse than current paint?

[joehernandez]

how is it better?
can anyone tell the advantages and disadvantages ?

[speedfeen]

if you knwo about urethane and read my first post that is the differences

and for the fact of the matter, it does seem thinner you just have to learn how to spray it since themethod and everything is different!!

I find it holds up better than urethane....


BECAUSE

as i stated above about the silver spraying hte blue and it covered with one spray....that WILL NEVER WORK with urethane....try painting a dark blue panel with silver paint using urethane and see how many coats it takes to cover the panel....

everyone has their own oppinions BUT we have NO CHOUCE to embrace this....and plus IMO i like it much better....

im being monitored at work right so ill leave and write more later


feen

[brthrurik]

I'm just looking for a powder coating oven big enough for my car...

[speedfeen]

well i hear now that the date for this has been pushed to January 2010, instead of the previous arrangement of Jan 2009 anyone hear about that??


feen