TOM'S (magic) lip creation posibility..., how many would be interested? Options

[malpaso]

Since I have found how expensive original genuine TOM's lip is I have started with searching some possibility how to reproduce it. Yes I'm talking about fiberglass or kevlar copy of this lip. So my question is:

If I had genuine lip and created form in one local company how many people would want fiberglass or kevlar replica of that lip?

I do not have any numbers so far (price, shipping costs, nothing)... just idea and would like to know interest of you guys here. According that I may start searching for all information and numbers...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Apr 17, 2008 - 2:24 AM

[monkey]

I personally forgot what this lip exactly looked like... can u post pics?

[vincent_doggy]

Martin... I asked dealer here in Hong Kong for the cost... cheaper than 1350euro... but still cost USD1,000...

This post has been edited by vincent_doggy: Apr 17, 2008 - 12:45 AM

[j0e_p3t]

I personally forgot what this lip exactly looked like... can u post pics?

doggy's car http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=52876&st=0
and i'm personally more interested in the genuine lip cuz i'd be afraid of the replica scraping and cracking. but if the price is right, i may just change my mind.

This post has been edited by j0e_p3t: Apr 17, 2008 - 12:52 AM

[malpaso]

Martin... I asked dealer here in Hong Kong for the cost... cheaper than 1350euro... but still cost USD1,000...

Exactly mate... plus shipping for really big box . However this is not something like business plan. It's just idea if:

- would be original piece bought
- would be form created
- would be made some amount of replicas
- would be those replicas sold

and finally how much it would lower whole costs of that original piece to reasonable level... That means make some small profit making copies to have cheaper original piece at the end. That's purpose of this topic.

[Rusty]

it'll cost me $NZD2,357 for the front lip, might be able to get 10% off but still thats alot, I'll look around for one at the wreakers (doubtful though)

[azian_advanced]

i have an oem tom's lip and looking to sell it as i'm ditching my plans for moulding it on. just got a different idea for a front bumper.
but i'm not ready to sell it yet for another month or two.

[malpaso]

So seems no interest on this part as replica, right?

[mneal2_92788]

i would have interest if it was a good price and replica!

[BloodyStupidDave...]

i would have interest if it was a good price and replica!

I'm interested.

[D-Man]

okay, i've mentioned this before, but i'm going to cover it again.

Cloning our bumpers is something that i dont even dare to do. There is just way to much activity going on.

Next, The price of fabbing them (even in bulk) is going to still rival companys selling them for what we feel is so expensive.

supplies alone is going to run like 50-70 bucks, (quality supplies; atleast) it can be done cheaper, but they'll last like they were done much cheaper

Then you gotta think about shipping, Boxes, stuffing, How are you going to keep it safe in transit? Foam-Peanuts? newspaper? Plus those big @ss boxes.

Then the freight charge to ship it.

This will rack up 200-300 really quick. Now for personal and local persons, It'd be a blessing. Truly would.

Just also remember how much work is going to be involved in this. One bumper could easily take 2 days if you dont have a systematic plan in place. And if you dont do a good job, There will be no end to the flaming that'll take place.

I've been working with FG for years, and i wouldn't dare mess with em. Not till i have way more time on my hands.

But if ya wanna, then good luck, and more power to ya. Have fun

[playr158]

they are talking about making a lip NOT a bumper...and celica bumpers aren't very difficult to make a mold + new one

having one of these lips replicated you are going to find it more feasible and affordable to send one to VISracing convincing them to make them + run a group buy to insure they have sales.
which if you read the OP post you'd know he was doing the same thing in except with a different company "one local company "

so you don't have to worry about shipping cause the company would do that, you don't have to worry about supply cost cause companies already have that....read the thread first...

as for the OP, just look into fiberglass is less expensive and does ok (all celica lips are fiberglass anyways) Kevlar would unnecessarily raise costs.
That and you are overseas making the idea more expensive, to most your audience. Though honestly that lip is fairly easy to replicate.

This post has been edited by playr158: Apr 21, 2008 - 1:40 PM

[tomazws]

I'm interested!

[cheela]

i have an oem tom's lip and looking to sell it as i'm ditching my plans for moulding it on. just got a different idea for a front bumper.
but i'm not ready to sell it yet for another month or two.

if u ever sell, I wouldn't mind taking it off your hands.

[spolski07]

So seems no interest on this part as replica, right?

im very interested

[96bluevert]

So seems no interest on this part as replica, right?

I think there's some interest, but most people would like to see some numbers(prices, time frames,ext..) before committing to one. I'm one of these people, interested, but would like a little more info before I can say a definate.

[jason]

if you could get them replicated for a reasonable price, id get one! also for those vert/coupe owners, how about a 404 style rear lip? this front, sides and the rear i think would look nice =)

[dustin15brown]

From personal experience Malpaso.. I wouldn't do it if you wrap a lot of your money up into it.. I've done this a few times on here with different things... And people ALLLLLLLLWAYS flake out once you give them the final price and have the item on its way... And it being too late to cancel... But I would def. take one if given a realistic up front price that fits into my budget

[D-Man]

having one of these lips replicated you are going to find it more feasible and affordable to send one to VISracing convincing them to make them + run a group buy to insure they have sales.
which if you read the OP post you'd know he was doing the same thing in except with a different company "one local company "

so you don't have to worry about shipping cause the company would do that, you don't have to worry about supply cost cause companies already have that....read the thread first...

as for the OP, just look into fiberglass is less expensive and does ok (all celica lips are fiberglass anyways)
That and you are overseas making the idea more expensive, to most your audience. Though honestly that lip is fairly easy to replicate.

Thats what i'm talking about! Read my post.

Okay, why do you think that even E-bay has to sell these things at such a price? VISracing can do it, but it's going to cost them money. The same money it cost any and every other company. VISracing still has to make a profit. VISracing is going to have to produce theese things. VISracing has to buy material, pay employees, pay for castings and molds to be made to even start production. Then they have to package it, they have to pay for boxes, stuffing, shipping carges, ups driver pick-up services, ect. Now after all the money has been spent, how are they going to make it back? i assure you they wont do it out of the kindness of their hearts. nope, they'll take it out on your invoice when you go to buy one. plus they have to end up with more money then they started with. The employees need their medical, the boss needs a new car, the owner needs a vacation to the Bahamas, (ect)

BAM!! back up to $300+


I'm not saying it's going to be done in Malpaso's basement, Although that would be the only real way to cut down cost dramatically. the cost of labor and production is just too great.

[shaunrichard]

Very interested. Keep updating as you find stuff out.