 Simple Question, 3S-GTE, Work on an Auto? |
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 Sep 8, 2003 - 11:29 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
One very simple question. Does the 3S-GTE engine work on an Automatic? Now, a better question--does it work on an Automatic AT200 (USDM ST)? If not, is it within reason to change the transmission and do whatever else necessary to put a 3S-GTE into the USDM ST? ..if it does require additional modifications (beyond transmission), list what you think should be changed.
For those of you that just love to help us n00bs out: -What kind of risk will I run using this engine? (i.e.: could some random part blow much easier with this engine?) -Should I replace anything else in my car after installing this engine? -What would you recommend doing assuming I had infinite cash and wanted to keep my car a 6GC? And for those of you that just want to help me out because I'm new to the site: -How would an Intake/Exhaust upgrade fair against a 3S-GTE upgrade? (I know the price differences, I just want to know hp comparison) -What brand would you recommend for Intake? (if it's exotic, where can I get it?) -What EXACTLY is an 'exhaust'.. I mean, (god I hate sounding so stupid, don't ream me too bad..), I'm seeing exhaust manifold, pipe (der der), silencer, etc.. and nothing really makes sense since most of these websites just have part names and prices, no description. What is the part, why am I looking for it, how much should I expect it to run me? -What risks do I run having installed an Intake/Exhaust? (would it stress any particular part more than intended causing a shorter life span? what parts? why?) -Any idea on how much my insurance could increase by installing an Intake/Exhaust? A 3S-GTE? -Does installing a body kit or any other interior/exterior styling component affect insurance rates? Thanks guys, (don't be too mean, I'm 15 and I guess this is about the only way I have to learn about this stuff..) -Brian |
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Sep 8, 2003 - 11:31 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 10, '03 From FL Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
W00t, youd have to do the whole auto tranny swap. Um you SHOULD replace your axles and possibly your motormouunts. And im really tired if no one answers this by 1st hour tomorrow i will finish.
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Sep 8, 2003 - 11:35 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
no ST tranny will bolt up to a 3sgte engine.
you can run an auto tranny on a 3sgte but it will require custom work. there have been posts about this, search for more info -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Sep 8, 2003 - 11:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
So basically, a 3S-GTE swap would cost a lot but give crazy good performance? From the sounds of things, it requires a lot of work to install, and a considerable amount of adding/removing parts (at least on my model). That sound about right?
...Would I be better off with a simple Intake/Exhaust? -Brian |
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Sep 8, 2003 - 11:46 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 29, '03 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
UMM why would you get a 3SGTE and want to put in an auto?
That would ruin the fun of having the engine |
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Sep 8, 2003 - 11:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
>_< I don't know how to drive a manual. I plan on taking a class soon though, I wish I would've from the beginning, from what I've driven in a manual, it's much more fun.
-Brian |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 12:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Auto is just fine, stock auto trannies sap power yes, get a stronger tourque converter or get a rebuilt tranny. How many 500-700hp automatic supras are there....quite a bit. Im tired of people constantly knocking auto's, Manuals are better but Autos arent off the wall terrible specially if you strengthen them.
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Sep 9, 2003 - 12:47 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 23, '03 From New Orleans Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
'cause u have a ST it would cost more than my GT, go after a 4age or a 4agze that would line up with your mounts. Talk to Coomer he's getting a 4age put in right now, i believe |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 1:50 AM
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The ST auto tranny will not bolt up as mentioned... but you can probably use a Camry 1mzfe auto tranny or even the GT (5sfe) auto tranny. I believe both will bolt up. With an ST, you'll have to swap over motor mounts and GT axles.
If the engine swap alone, it should require no real serious part changes to the car, aside from axles to fit the tranny, and motor mounts to mount the new engine.
not a very good question...cause with money, possibilities are endless.
No comparison. Intake and Exhaust may add 5-10 hp tops, if even, while the engine swap to a 3sgte can add a tone more. Let's just say, a 7AFE with Intake and exhaust might push 115-120 bhp tops... while a 3sgte can push easily 200 bhp or more... The swap itself isn't for the weak at heart. Not very many people on the boards can do it themselves, or actually *have* a swap. If you can't do it yourself, expect to pay out the arse for labor... not including the front clip needed to correctly complete the swap. A lot of people here make it sound like it's easy, and they all have dreams of it, but it's mostly all hopes and dreams. I'm willing to bet most people here drive their cars as a daily driver and cannot let their cars be put in the shop for the time necessary to complete a true swap. If I were you, and plan to drive the car for a while, an engine swap should not be the first thing to do on your list. I personally like the 7AFE... I mean, I drove my car on a road trip this summer and got 38 mpg and had enough power and torque to have fun with. A 3sgte cannot compete with that... but it will be a lot more fun...=]
I'd reccomend going custom if you want a cold air intake. You can build one cheaper than you can buy a Cold air system. For a short ram, you can use a Civic intake which can run 15-20 bucks from eBay...
Basically, it's an enlarged pipe typically from the catalytic converter (Cat-back) back all the way to the muffler. It's basically the pipe that runs from the exhaust manifold back to the muffler... an exhaust system refers to the enlargement of this pipe. An added straight flow muffler will improve the performance slighty.
No stress... intakes and exhaust typically relieve stress, hence the added power.
The insurance companies never have to know unless they come and personally inspect the car and ask. The 3sgte, you might not even be able to insure it... but it should typically be ok. Intake and exhaust will probably strike as a car that will be driven more harshly... so they *might* charge a bit more...but they usually never know.
unless you want to insure it...no. Hope I helped... This post has been edited by Kwanza: Sep 9, 2003 - 1:52 AM |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 8:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thank you Kwanza, you answered a lot of questions I had. Well, I may make a new post, basically just trying to find out what I can do on top of Intake/Exhaust to make it faster. I topped out at 85-90, and while that's fast enough, there are some cases where if it were a bit fast that'd really help.
-Brian |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 12:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 21, '02 From Orlando Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Man, not to be the mean person on this post, but you have ALOT of research to do. Everyone else's knowledge on this board is from extensive and endless hours of research. You'll learn much more than any one of us could just tell you. Just sit down, read a few magazines, search through a few sites and you'll find more information than you can handle. Have fun!
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Sep 9, 2003 - 5:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Heh, that's what I was asking in another post of mine-- do you have any recommended resources that you use either online or book-wise?
-Brian |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 5:57 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
for engine basics, check out: http://www.howstuffworks.com/
very good info there, explained in a clear concise manner. as for what you can do to a 7afe to make it faster. if you want to stick to your basic bolt-ons you would be looking at: - cold air intake (100) - catback exhaust (300) - header (eliminate cats) (150) - underdrive pulley (100) - a chip or air fuel controller (300) with proper tuning this should yield you high 15s, low 16s. btw the prices I listed are lower than average, but should give you a good idea. you will also factor in the install costs if you can't do it yourself. |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 7:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I've been looking through some import racing magazines, and I'm seeing a lot of Ignitions that supposedly add hp? Are those any good or just advertising?
gh0st_d0g, do you recommend ALL of that? What do you mean by high 15s low 16s? Thanks, -Brian |
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Sep 9, 2003 - 8:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if you're going the naturally aspirated route that would be the way to go. then once you get done with the basics you can get into porting/polishing, raising compression etc. really depends how much more power you want and how much you are willing to spend. we can all speculate but thats not really gonna take us anywhere. btw, by 15s 16s I was refering to times in the quarter mile. the st stock runs 17s. many new sporty cars are running in the 15s and lower stock so thats a good place to start. |
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Sep 10, 2003 - 1:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I personally don't believe in upgraded ignition unless you're doing some serious induction mods or seriously modifying your air/fuel ratios. It's more or less a myth, that upgraded ignition wires, coils, spark plugs and what-not will *increase* horsepower. Instead, it'll provide for better power delivery. Don't rely on ignition upgrades as a big power mod, because it's not gonna give you added high-end power. Instead, you'ere gonna get better engine response throughout the entire powerband... but not really *add* hp. |
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Sep 10, 2003 - 3:01 AM
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I can vouch for this... |
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Sep 10, 2003 - 7:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 5, '03 From Grapevine, TX Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thanks guys, I appreciate it. I read through a lot on howstuffworks (thank you.. again), and I'm probably going to think some of this through some more. I need to ask some insurance questions first, not like insurance on 16 y/o males will be cheaper with performance parts.. so y'know..
-Brian |
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