ST204 3SGTE VS ST205 Options

[D-Man]

Im already loading my gt4 st205 awd on a carrier and ill be over to the USA to settle this once and for all.... who's up for the challenge????? First though i gotta do the shopping and tidy the house!!!

talk to member DEATH, he's got a 3s swap and still on FWD. I'd love to watch But ya gotta come to Houston where the heat is like an African dessert. Give me a few months and you can run (and spank )a 5sfte too.

[creis]

Track was unsuprisingly damp which made for a few traction issues, but an excellent day nonetheless.

while I ran a best of 14.14 sec. Even managed to get the car slightly sideways on run run as it was so slippery out there!

^ quotes from the above listed thread. exsplenation for the slower track times.

I just cant agree with the swapped 204 winning, I think a compleatly stock 205 and a stock 204 with 3sgte and mr2 lsd. the 205 would win but probably close, I just cant see the 204 being able to get enough traction off the line to catch up. my 5s sucks at traction as it is with upgraded sup and toyo proxi 4 tires, double the hp and it would be quite difficult to lunch without upgraded susp, and tires. (but I have not driven a swapped 204 or a 205 for that matter so I cant say for sure just my opinion)

This post has been edited by creis: May 30, 2008 - 9:15 AM

[ETNRIDER]

What is an estimate of the weight difference? I wouldn't think it would be over 500lbs, Would it?

[x_itchy_b_x]

i raced a vr4 when i was a stock 2nd gen. from a dig. he has more hp more tq and more traction. i passed him before the 1/8th mile out of the 1/4. thats very close to a gt4 but with more power... so?

[devilsden97]

i raced a vr4 when i was a stock 2nd gen. from a dig. he has more hp more tq and more traction. i passed him before the 1/8th mile out of the 1/4. thats very close to a gt4 but with more power... so?

VR4: 3760lbs

gt-4: 3298lbs (converted from KG ~1500kg)

st204: 2820lbs

edit: i suck at english

This post has been edited by devilsden97: May 30, 2008 - 11:30 AM

[ETNRIDER]

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VR4: 3760lbs

gt-4: 3298lbs (converted from KG ~1500kg)

st204: 2820lbs

edit: i suck at english
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So there is a ~478lbs difference in the GT-4 and the st204. Dang I weigh 300lbs, guess I will always lose in a race!!

[x_itchy_b_x]

i raced a vr4 when i was a stock 2nd gen. from a dig. he has more hp more tq and more traction. i passed him before the 1/8th mile out of the 1/4. thats very close to a gt4 but with more power... so?

VR4: 3760lbs

gt-4: 3298lbs (converted from KG ~1500kg)

st204: 2820lbs

edit: i suck at english

320hp > 255hp also dont forget that ;D

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: May 30, 2008 - 11:53 AM

[devilsden97]

320hp > 255hp also dont forget that ;D

i know this. not doubting your story in anyway. just listing weights.

Edit: i listed the vr4 cuz u mentioned it, and many consider it to be a "heavy" sports car. Its just a comparison for the other 2 cars

This post has been edited by devilsden97: May 30, 2008 - 11:55 AM

[Batman722]

Track was unsuprisingly damp which made for a few traction issues, but an excellent day nonetheless.

while I ran a best of 14.14 sec. Even managed to get the car slightly sideways on run run as it was so slippery out there!

^ quotes from the above listed thread. exsplenation for the slower track times.

I just cant agree with the swapped 204 winning, I think a compleatly stock 205 and a stock 204 with 3sgte and mr2 lsd. the 205 would win but probably close, I just cant see the 204 being able to get enough traction off the line to catch up.

You guys missed the fact that a ST185, NOT a st205 swapped car, ran 13.9. Do you think he had traction issues too ? Yup.
Everyone has traction issues at the track, it's more about the driver. Same driver, both good launches, I'd have my $ on the swap.

If you had a swapped 204 with a st205 then "in theory" the time would be lower.

If you have a stock st205 vs a st204 swapped w/st205, the swapped (500lbs lighter) would be faster/quicker.
There is no doubt about it, same mods, or no mods, the swapped solely because of the weight factor would be faster.

AWD is great for cornering, in the snow, rallying, ect. but it's heavy...

[j0e_p3t]

not only does the swap fwd have a weight advantage, but it also has less power loss to the wheel as opposed to awd. i suppose a skilled driver with a swap could take the win, but i'd take the awd over fwd any day.

[devilsden97]

honestly there is a very easy solution to this discussion.


track day:

Swaped ST204 (modded [similarly] or stock [ST205]) vs. ST205 (modded [similarly] or stock)

5 runs per car

Launch: 2500
3000
3500
xxxx <---Swapped ST204 driver determined
xxxx <---ST205 driver determined

best runs win.

Edit I: yes, there is track conditions, and location (obviously very few ST205's in the USA, but there are plenty overseas.), driver etc..but this would give a basic layout.
Edit II: Btw, really good discussion topic, as long as it stays clean. And facts are brought into play, not "hear say".
Edit III: Silver94CelicaOwner just swaped his gt....ST205 swap with E153 non-LSD, hed be a pretty good canidate for the ST204 swapped celica, and i believe its relativly unmodified.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: May 30, 2008 - 1:43 PM

[lagos]

AWD = Rev to 6k - pop the clutch - WIN.

[x_itchy_b_x]

^ not with only 255 hp. more jump forward then bog back down to 3.5k and slowly climb.
6k is pointless with no boost.
it happens to my buddys wrx alllll the time.

[lagos]

^ not with only 255 hp. more jump forward then bog back down to 3.5k and slowly climb.
6k is pointless with no boost.
it happens to my buddys wrx alllll the time.

The point is.... a swapped celica is a faster car then an st205...BUT, awd cars pretty much rule the 1/4.
I guess Ive been hanging around with too many subaru/mitsu guys.

[x_itchy_b_x]

^ agreed.
lagos did i ever tell you that your awesome?

[lagos]

^ agreed.
lagos did i ever tell you that your awesome?

You pm everyday to let me know, doh!

[scothaniel]

I totally agree with Lagos. My swapped 6gc is lighter, quicker, and far more fun to drive then my modded ST185, but launching it hard just results in wheel hop and slow 60ft times - and as the boost goes up it just gets worse. Whereas the chubby ST185 just squats and goes.

[Rusty]

500lbs lighter

so wheres all this extra weight coming from in a GT4? rear axle, drive shaft and diff etc

GT4 Best Motoring (Repost video I guess)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8-fBC6XHk
has dragging at the end

This post has been edited by Rusty: May 30, 2008 - 6:09 PM

[lagos]

500lbs lighter

so wheres all this extra weight coming from in a GT4? rear axle, drive shaft and diff etc

GT4 Best Motoring (Repost video I guess)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8-fBC6XHk
has dragging at the end

You have no idea how heavy that rear end is.
I remember dragging mine around the shop when I was doing my swap. It was quite difficult to move.

BTW, in that vid the gt-4 hit a 13.9. And thats BONE STOCK. Stock cats, exhaust, boost, everything.
Throw a downpipe/exhaust and an mbc on it and it wont have any problems hitting at least mid 13s.

This post has been edited by lagos: May 30, 2008 - 6:15 PM

[reko]

Damn seems like everyone has their own opinion...

Now because of yall i dont know what to do anymore...

Swap a 3sgte around august in my 94 GT...

or wait 'till my birthday in january and buy a ST205...