GOOOO OBAMA!!, IM SO PROUD! Options

[jgreening]

Id vote for a guy who gives people a choice of what to do with unborn life, vs a guy who supports sending our soldiers to die in an illegal war for the next 100yrs.

A bit misleading don't you think?

[GriffGirl]

really?! where does it say this? would like to see...

In 1997 Barack Obama voted against SB-230 would have made partial birth abortions illegal and also against a 2000 senate bill which would end state funding for partial birth abortions.

Why did he vote against it though? There are a lot of reasons someone could/would vote against things that actually might make perfect sense otherwise. They tack on extra bills at the end of another bill that has absolutely nothing to do with the first. So it could have been a bill to make partial-birth abortions illegal, but there was a bill attached to it that would enable people who own chihuahas to get a special pet-relief tax write off.

I'm not arguing for either side here where it comes to the pro-life/right to choose debate. I'm just saying that I myself have voted against measures that I thought were a good idea or made sense, simply because the way they were worded allowed for too much ambiguity or distortion of the original intent, and that may be something to take into consideration in this case as well.

[lagos]

Id vote for a guy who gives people a choice of what to do with unborn life, vs a guy who supports sending our soldiers to die in an illegal war for the next 100yrs.

A bit misleading don't you think?

The war? WMD's? Yes, I agree.

[GriffGirl]

Lagos, you and I are so much on the same page that we're practically on the same line of text

[laff09]

Whether or not the war is illegal, or we we're mislead into Iraq is insignificant at this point in time. Lets concentrate on getting the heck out of there, while leaving a stable iraqi government that can provide essential governmental needs to the people. What are you going to do, put the soon-to-be former US president on trial to be embarrassed in front of billions of people?..and the positive outcome of this is what? at the cost of what?? Why waste more tax payers dollars trying to "fix" a problem that has zero bearing on where this country is going?

A lot say Hillary is necessary to Obama's campaign, to capture the lower socio-economic demographic and because of her appeal to the blue-collar workers in key states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio. Sure, she could .. but so can a lot of other great politicians. Gov. Brian Schweitzer from Montana, a democratic governor from a historically red state, is one. But only time will tell really, and its going to be a great race.

[politicsareevil]

We DESPERATELY need fresh blood in the White House.

Epic Success. Best Quote I've heard all week.

2 woots for that!

Does anyone actually realize that George Bush is NOT up for re-election???? People always say stuff like this. But the truth of the matter is ANYONE voted into office will not be George Bush. As far as all the people saying "YAY finally the country is making a change and voting for a black guy" that could not be more stupid of a comment. Skin color shouldnt matter. I'm all for voting in a black guy, too bad Colon Powell isnt running for office. What qualifies Obama to be president? Honestly, he has the least experience of all the Senators in the entire Senate. He also has the reputation of being the most liberal Senator farther left than Ted Kennedy... Many people may read this and think I blindly support John McCain. To be honest, I dont like the guy. I am not a republican, I am a Libertarian.... Obama I will admit, has to be one of the greatest speakers of our recent history. But the fact of the matter is you take the telepromter away and he stumbles over his own words because he cant put a sentance together on the spot. He is an idiot and an extremist. He goes along with whatever the public wants him to say. He is extremely maliable when it comes to public opinion. He is a weak person when it comes to holding onto his "values" Take his pastor and "father figure" Jeremiah Wright.... He says that he has been following him for 20 years blah blah blah...... when the fiasco came down about his pastor saying such negative things he said I will not disown him for what he said he is my friend of many years blah blah blah... Well when the public opinion started to sway and started to not like Jeremiah Wright for the things he said Obama comes back out and disowns his "pastor, spiritual leader, and father figure" of 20 years..... wow talk about thrown under the bus to save your public image. This is not history being made by nominating a BLACK man, this is a mistake being made by nominating the WRONG man. Sadly there is no good candidate up for election this term... I hope for the sake of the country Obama loses.... but at the same time I kind of hope that he wins so every one can see how they voted for someone who is not qualified for the job for the sake of "making history" I understand that black people want to see a black guy go so far and lead the country to greatness. But why does it have to be this guy.... I just dont understand why people think he is so extremely qualified for the job. If someone can give me 1 good reason why he is well prepared for this job I will shut up.... but I cant stand by and hear the BS of "history being made" it shouldnt matter that he is black..... yet people keep making that an issue.... Since when did just being black qualify you for anything other than being able to get minority scholarships... Please explain to me why being a BLACK man also makes you the RIGHT man for the job...


- Matt

[lagos]

Whether or not the war is illegal, or we we're mislead into Iraq is insignificant at this point in time. Lets concentrate on getting the heck out of there, while leaving a stable iraqi government that can provide essential governmental needs to the people. What are you going to do, put the soon-to-be former US president on trial to be embarrassed in front of billions of people?..and the positive outcome of this is what? at the cost of what?? Why waste more tax payers dollars trying to "fix" a problem that has zero bearing on where this country is going?

Denis Kusinich in is congress right now trying to impeach bush.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-dantoni/...u_b_106176.html

Why bother? So that other presidents think twice before doing something illegal.

[politicsareevil]

Here is your history being made..... what an intelligent man... because everyone knows you should always give an athsmatic child a breathalizer..... and this man wants to completely redo the american healthcare system... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee enjoy the rollercoaster ride that will be the Obama presidency


http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-...pter-two-videos

This post has been edited by politicsareevil: Jun 10, 2008 - 11:03 PM

[lagos]

We DESPERATELY need fresh blood in the White House.

Epic Success. Best Quote I've heard all week.

2 woots for that!

Does anyone actually realize that George Bush is NOT up for re-election???? People always say stuff like this. But the truth of the matter is ANYONE voted into office will not be George Bush. As far as all the people saying "YAY finally the country is making a change and voting for a black guy" that could not be more stupid of a comment. Skin color shouldnt matter. I'm all for voting in a black guy, too bad Colon Powell isnt running for office. What qualifies Obama to be president? Honestly, he has the least experience of all the Senators in the entire Senate. He also has the reputation of being the most liberal Senator farther left than Ted Kennedy... Many people may read this and think I blindly support John McCain. To be honest, I dont like the guy. I am not a republican, I am a Libertarian.... Obama I will admit, has to be one of the greatest speakers of our recent history. But the fact of the matter is you take the telepromter away and he stumbles over his own words because he cant put a sentance together on the spot. He is an idiot and an extremist. He goes along with whatever the public wants him to say. He is extremely maliable when it comes to public opinion. He is a weak person when it comes to holding onto his "values" Take his pastor and "father figure" Jeremiah Wright.... He says that he has been following him for 20 years blah blah blah...... when the fiasco came down about his pastor saying such negative things he said I will not disown him for what he said he is my friend of many years blah blah blah... Well when the public opinion started to sway and started to not like Jeremiah Wright for the things he said Obama comes back out and disowns his "pastor, spiritual leader, and father figure" of 20 years..... wow talk about thrown under the bus to save your public image. This is not history being made by nominating a BLACK man, this is a mistake being made by nominating the WRONG man. Sadly there is no good candidate up for election this term... I hope for the sake of the country Obama loses.... but at the same time I kind of hope that he wins so every one can see how they voted for someone who is not qualified for the job for the sake of "making history" I understand that black people want to see a black guy go so far and lead the country to greatness. But why does it have to be this guy.... I just dont understand why people think he is so extremely qualified for the job. If someone can give me 1 good reason why he is well prepared for this job I will shut up.... but I cant stand by and hear the BS of "history being made" it shouldnt matter that he is black..... yet people keep making that an issue.... Since when did just being black qualify you for anything other than being able to get minority scholarships... Please explain to me why being a BLACK man also makes you the RIGHT man for the job...


- Matt

Excellent post! You made some good points.
Here is my take on it...
I like that McCain sticks to what he believes in. I really do respect that. However, I don't like the fact that 90% of his policies are pretty much what bush supports. Domestic wire taping, war, same economic plan, and last but not least, hes almost worse at public speaking then bush!

We need someone to put this country back on the right track. Someone who we can be inspired and proud of to call our president. I think obama can be that, even though he was not my first choice. Id have the same view of him if he was white, black or asian.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jun 10, 2008 - 11:06 PM

[lagos]

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-...pter-two-videos

Six words: Bottled Hot Water For Dehydrated Babies

[politicsareevil]

We DESPERATELY need fresh blood in the White House.

Epic Success. Best Quote I've heard all week.

2 woots for that!

Does anyone actually realize that George Bush is NOT up for re-election???? People always say stuff like this. But the truth of the matter is ANYONE voted into office will not be George Bush. As far as all the people saying "YAY finally the country is making a change and voting for a black guy" that could not be more stupid of a comment. Skin color shouldnt matter. I'm all for voting in a black guy, too bad Colon Powell isnt running for office. What qualifies Obama to be president? Honestly, he has the least experience of all the Senators in the entire Senate. He also has the reputation of being the most liberal Senator farther left than Ted Kennedy... Many people may read this and think I blindly support John McCain. To be honest, I dont like the guy. I am not a republican, I am a Libertarian.... Obama I will admit, has to be one of the greatest speakers of our recent history. But the fact of the matter is you take the telepromter away and he stumbles over his own words because he cant put a sentance together on the spot. He is an idiot and an extremist. He goes along with whatever the public wants him to say. He is extremely maliable when it comes to public opinion. He is a weak person when it comes to holding onto his "values" Take his pastor and "father figure" Jeremiah Wright.... He says that he has been following him for 20 years blah blah blah...... when the fiasco came down about his pastor saying such negative things he said I will not disown him for what he said he is my friend of many years blah blah blah... Well when the public opinion started to sway and started to not like Jeremiah Wright for the things he said Obama comes back out and disowns his "pastor, spiritual leader, and father figure" of 20 years..... wow talk about thrown under the bus to save your public image. This is not history being made by nominating a BLACK man, this is a mistake being made by nominating the WRONG man. Sadly there is no good candidate up for election this term... I hope for the sake of the country Obama loses.... but at the same time I kind of hope that he wins so every one can see how they voted for someone who is not qualified for the job for the sake of "making history" I understand that black people want to see a black guy go so far and lead the country to greatness. But why does it have to be this guy.... I just dont understand why people think he is so extremely qualified for the job. If someone can give me 1 good reason why he is well prepared for this job I will shut up.... but I cant stand by and hear the BS of "history being made" it shouldnt matter that he is black..... yet people keep making that an issue.... Since when did just being black qualify you for anything other than being able to get minority scholarships... Please explain to me why being a BLACK man also makes you the RIGHT man for the job...


- Matt

Excellent post! You made some good points.
Here is my take on it...
I like that McCain sticks to what he believes in. I really do respect that. However, I don't like the fact that 90% of his policies are pretty much what bush supports. Domestic wire taping, war, same economic plan, and last but not least, hes almost worse at public speaking then bush!

We need someone to put this country back on the right track. Someone who we can be inspired and proud of to call our president. I think obama can be that, even though he was not my first choice. Id have the same view of him if he was white, black or asian.

Lagos.... I have the utmost respect for the way you handled your reply. Most people would have flamed me and said I was an idiot. I to like McCain for the fact that he sticks to what he believes, but that doesnt mean that I like him on all things, and like you said, and I agree with you that, he is not so hot on a lot of policies.... I think we can ALL agree there is no good candidate this election. The way I see it.... in the next 4 years america is going into the sh*thole.... by that I dont mean america will crumble, what I mean is, the war will end in tragedy the economy will continue to tank, gas will still sky rocket in price, all will be blamed on whomever is in office at the time. It will suck to be the next president. I am getting sick of people attacking Obama over stupid stuff... although I dont agree with Obama on anything, I personally can not care less that Obama doesnt wear a flag pin on his lapel... Who cares about that.... We need to view the candidates on substance and their stance on crucial economic issues... Also, please understand I am not attacking you by asking this, but.... What about Obama can we "be inspired and proud of to call our president." as you say. again, I am not trying to make an attack by that... I simply like to see from all view points as often as possible....

- Thanks,

- Matt

This post has been edited by politicsareevil: Jun 11, 2008 - 12:40 AM

[gt_driFFter]

Here is your history being made..... what an intelligent man... because everyone knows you should always give an athsmatic child a breathalizer..... and this man wants to completely redo the american healthcare system... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee enjoy the rollercoaster ride that will be the Obama presidency


http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-...pter-two-videos

I am getting sick of people attacking Obama over stupid stuff

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I couldn't help but point out this giant contradiction.

This post has been edited by gt_driFFter: Jun 11, 2008 - 1:05 AM

[politicsareevil]

Here is your history being made..... what an intelligent man... because everyone knows you should always give an athsmatic child a breathalizer..... and this man wants to completely redo the american healthcare system... weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee enjoy the rollercoaster ride that will be the Obama presidency


http://sweetness-light.com/archive/barack-...pter-two-videos

I am getting sick of people attacking Obama over stupid stuff

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, but I couldn't help but point out this giant contradiction.

What I am trying to show is, if an attack is going to be made on someone (in hopes of hurting their candidacy) it needs to have some sort of merit to the comment. For someone who wants to drastically change the US healthcare system, it seems to me he doesnt know too much about medicine when he gets off his teleprompter.... what I was trying to say about "people attacking him over stupid stuff" that goes for any political candidate.... I do not like Obama, that being said, I dont think him NOT wearing a flag pin on his shirt has anything to do with anything. I think for the media to want to bash him for chosing not to wear a flag pin is childish. When I hear attacks like that it makes me think I am back in my 7th grade student council elections where people would say "would you vote for a man who doesnt go to our school football games.... he choses to play video games rather than support our school" What the hell man... what I am trying to say is... the attacks on candidates need to be attacks on their poor choices of policy, or poor thoughts on economic changes. When a candidate gets attacked it is supposed to show why that candidate is not fit for the office. Saying dont vote for him because he doesnt wear a flag pin is like saying dont vote for him because he is a doodie head....



/End Rant

- Matthew

[GriffGirl]

We DESPERATELY need fresh blood in the White House.

Epic Success. Best Quote I've heard all week.

2 woots for that!

Does anyone actually realize that George Bush is NOT up for re-election???? People always say stuff like this. But the truth of the matter is ANYONE voted into office will not be George Bush.

Sorry, the majority of my life has been spent living in the shadow of the Reagan/Bush era, so from my perspective, Dub is just a sequel to that. My point being that I would hate to see this whole catastrophe dragged out any further. Will McCain be a sequel to Dub? Honestly, I doubt it, but I read conflicting stories on that. My interest lies in seeing this country take a turn for the better, not continue down the path we've been on for the majority of the last twenty five years.

Skin color shouldnt matter. I'm all for voting in a black guy, too bad Colon Powell isnt running for office.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. I desperately hoped that Powell would run for president, but the Bush administration made sure that could never happen when they used him as a scapegoat with the whole WMD crap. I think he'd make an outstanding president, and I'd vote for him regardless of whatever party he ran under.

What qualifies Obama to be president? Honestly, he has the least experience of all the Senators in the entire Senate.

I believe he actually has the same experience as Hillary. How long was Dub a senator?

He also has the reputation of being the most liberal Senator farther left than Ted Kennedy... Many people may read this and think I blindly support John McCain. To be honest, I dont like the guy. I am not a republican, I am a Libertarian.... Obama I will admit, has to be one of the greatest speakers of our recent history. But the fact of the matter is you take the telepromter away and he stumbles over his own words because he cant put a sentance together on the spot. He is an idiot and an extremist. He goes along with whatever the public wants him to say. He is extremely maliable when it comes to public opinion.

Doesn't this just define pretty much any politician? I haven't seen this myself, so I won't agree or dispute it though.

He is a weak person when it comes to holding onto his "values" Take his pastor and "father figure" Jeremiah Wright.... He says that he has been following him for 20 years blah blah blah...... when the fiasco came down about his pastor saying such negative things he said I will not disown him for what he said he is my friend of many years blah blah blah... Well when the public opinion started to sway and started to not like Jeremiah Wright for the things he said Obama comes back out and disowns his "pastor, spiritual leader, and father figure" of 20 years..... wow talk about thrown under the bus to save your public image.

Agreed.

This is not history being made by nominating a BLACK man, this is a mistake being made by nominating the WRONG man. Sadly there is no good candidate up for election this term... I hope for the sake of the country Obama loses.... but at the same time I kind of hope that he wins so every one can see how they voted for someone who is not qualified for the job for the sake of "making history" I understand that black people want to see a black guy go so far and lead the country to greatness. But why does it have to be this guy.... I just dont understand why people think he is so extremely qualified for the job. If someone can give me 1 good reason why he is well prepared for this job I will shut up.... but I cant stand by and hear the BS of "history being made" it shouldnt matter that he is black..... yet people keep making that an issue.... Since when did just being black qualify you for anything other than being able to get minority scholarships... Please explain to me why being a BLACK man also makes you the RIGHT man for the job...

- Matt

I don't think anyone is saying that he's qualified because he's a black man. If that were the case, Jesse Jackson would've been president long ago. Hell, maybe Al Sharpton too. (god forbid on both!) I disagree that Obama is a mistake... but it's so early, who knows. The same can be said for McCain, too, don't you think? I thought early on that John Kerry would make a good president. Then he folded and ran off like a little bitch. Boy was I wrong, and for as much as I hate Dubya, I can honestly say that I think Kerry would've done way the hell worse.

So all in all, we're left with the following (to draw from something you said earlier): try to vote for the person you think is the least doodiest head of them all. Because IMO in the end, they'll all crumble when the teleprompter is off, they'll fold when backed into a corner by public opinion. That's why they have "advisors".

Did you do forensic debate in hs or college? Your arguments are well thought out and articulated. You remind me of a debater. Parli FTW!

[politicsareevil]

We DESPERATELY need fresh blood in the White House.

Epic Success. Best Quote I've heard all week.

2 woots for that!

Does anyone actually realize that George Bush is NOT up for re-election???? People always say stuff like this. But the truth of the matter is ANYONE voted into office will not be George Bush.

Sorry, the majority of my life has been spent living in the shadow of the Reagan/Bush era, so from my perspective, Dub is just a sequel to that. My point being that I would hate to see this whole catastrophe dragged out any further. Will McCain be a sequel to Dub? Honestly, I doubt it, but I read conflicting stories on that. My interest lies in seeing this country take a turn for the better, not continue down the path we've been on for the majority of the last twenty five years.

Skin color shouldnt matter. I'm all for voting in a black guy, too bad Colon Powell isnt running for office.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. I desperately hoped that Powell would run for president, but the Bush administration made sure that could never happen when they used him as a scapegoat with the whole WMD crap. I think he'd make an outstanding president, and I'd vote for him regardless of whatever party he ran under.

What qualifies Obama to be president? Honestly, he has the least experience of all the Senators in the entire Senate.

I believe he actually has the same experience as Hillary. How long was Dub a senator?

He also has the reputation of being the most liberal Senator farther left than Ted Kennedy... Many people may read this and think I blindly support John McCain. To be honest, I dont like the guy. I am not a republican, I am a Libertarian.... Obama I will admit, has to be one of the greatest speakers of our recent history. But the fact of the matter is you take the telepromter away and he stumbles over his own words because he cant put a sentance together on the spot. He is an idiot and an extremist. He goes along with whatever the public wants him to say. He is extremely maliable when it comes to public opinion.

Doesn't this just define pretty much any politician? I haven't seen this myself, so I won't agree or dispute it though.

He is a weak person when it comes to holding onto his "values" Take his pastor and "father figure" Jeremiah Wright.... He says that he has been following him for 20 years blah blah blah...... when the fiasco came down about his pastor saying such negative things he said I will not disown him for what he said he is my friend of many years blah blah blah... Well when the public opinion started to sway and started to not like Jeremiah Wright for the things he said Obama comes back out and disowns his "pastor, spiritual leader, and father figure" of 20 years..... wow talk about thrown under the bus to save your public image.

Agreed.

This is not history being made by nominating a BLACK man, this is a mistake being made by nominating the WRONG man. Sadly there is no good candidate up for election this term... I hope for the sake of the country Obama loses.... but at the same time I kind of hope that he wins so every one can see how they voted for someone who is not qualified for the job for the sake of "making history" I understand that black people want to see a black guy go so far and lead the country to greatness. But why does it have to be this guy.... I just dont understand why people think he is so extremely qualified for the job. If someone can give me 1 good reason why he is well prepared for this job I will shut up.... but I cant stand by and hear the BS of "history being made" it shouldnt matter that he is black..... yet people keep making that an issue.... Since when did just being black qualify you for anything other than being able to get minority scholarships... Please explain to me why being a BLACK man also makes you the RIGHT man for the job...

- Matt

I don't think anyone is saying that he's qualified because he's a black man. If that were the case, Jesse Jackson would've been president long ago. Hell, maybe Al Sharpton too. (god forbid on both!) I disagree that Obama is a mistake... but it's so early, who knows. The same can be said for McCain, too, don't you think? I thought early on that John Kerry would make a good president. Then he folded and ran off like a little bitch. Boy was I wrong, and for as much as I hate Dubya, I can honestly say that I think Kerry would've done way the hell worse.

So all in all, we're left with the following (to draw from something you said earlier): try to vote for the person you think is the least doodiest head of them all. Because IMO in the end, they'll all crumble when the teleprompter is off, they'll fold when backed into a corner by public opinion. That's why they have "advisors".

Did you do forensic debate in hs or college? Your arguments are well thought out and articulated. You remind me of a debater. Parli FTW!

You handle your retorts with the utmost respect. I agree with you that most politicians are like that. All politicians are crooked in some way... the sad part is all candidates for president are all POLITICIANS.....

as far as did I do forensic debate.... No at the time, I had hair to my shoulders and kind of a beard.... they felt my "look" wasnt fitting for representing the school oh well... this just goes to show that if you look the part you dont always fit the part and just because you dont look the part doesnt mean you dont fit the part. I do very much take your question of was i in debate as an extreme compliment and I thank you for it. I try to not "freak out" when people say they like a candidate "blindly". I try to surround myself with facts and vote for whomever is closest to what I think is good for the country. you seem to be very educated on the situation at hand as well and at least we both agree there really is no good candidates this term lol. The way I see it is, whomever wins, can only get a maximum of 8 years in the office.... we will survive whomever is in office, it will just suck for 8 years if the person who wins is not who we like. Whomever wins, its not the end of the world... we should just hope that whomever it is does whats right for the progress of the nation...

- Matt

This post has been edited by politicsareevil: Jun 11, 2008 - 2:48 PM

[Random_Stranger]

I wanna move to Canada or Australia or UK


Voting for a president in this country is like picking which turd you want to smell for 4 years out of Dog, Cat, or Human. You would hope you can pick something pleasant, but instead you try to choose the lesser of the most unpleasant.

[96bluevert]

Skin color shouldnt matter. I'm all for voting in a black guy, too bad Colon Powell isnt running for office.

I couldn't agree more with this statement. I desperately hoped that Powell would run for president, but the Bush administration made sure that could never happen when they used him as a scapegoat with the whole WMD crap. I think he'd make an outstanding president, and I'd vote for him regardless of whatever party he ran under.

x3. But niether should sex,religion, or being straight/gay/bi....I also like how you mentioned you'd vote for Powell no matter what party he was with. Imo, it's not a fair voting system when people only stick to one party just b/c. I will quote the great Chris Rock: "Anybody who makes up thier mind before hearring the solution is a fool".

This post has been edited by 96bluevert: Jun 11, 2008 - 3:34 PM

[lagos]

I thought this was funny.
Ron Paul owns Obama...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez5robAWmu4

[Akimbo]

MCCAIN 08

[easternpiro1]

politicsareevil, i was wondering where youve been! great add on! while i partly disagree with the statement that people are only voting for him because he's black (although some black folk are under the false impression that this is some sort of liberation by obama being nominated) I agree with you that we need to scrutinize this guy. now that there are mainly 2 front runners, i can be more desicive. hillary was distracting alot of people. Obama is an intelligent guy as are teh rest of the canidates, but what worries me most is that there are outsiders attempting to make mountains out of molehills for the specific intent to distract voters from REAL issues. thanks for bringing to light some of his faults, because alot of people are just blindly following whoever is leading their chosen party. its a shame...im beginning to think the brits are right about american intelligence

BTW...ron paul for vp or colin powell!