Manual to Power Windows/Locks Conversion, REALLY CLOSE NOW! Need help, see pg 5 Options

[GriffGirl]

Should be both. Looks like pin 1 RED/BLU goes to the diode then BLU/YEL out of the diode connects to pin 15 BLU/YEL before going to pin 1 of the power main relay.

Okay I need to reiterate my understanding, just to make sure I understand that correctly (sorry, I really am challenged in that short-bus way here). (I haven't had to change any of the connections to the diode, so the wiring that comes out of the diode is exactly as it came off the donor dash harness.)

The BLU/YEL coming out of the diode connects to both pin 1 of the power main relay as well as pin 15 of the door control module?

And pin 1 RED/BLU goes from the diode to the door control module?

Do I have this correct?

edit: I'll try to remember to take pictures tonight, it'll probably be easier to explain or for me to understand with a visual.

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Mar 9, 2010 - 7:21 PM

[hurley97]

Should be both. Looks like pin 1 RED/BLU goes to the diode then BLU/YEL out of the diode connects to pin 15 BLU/YEL before going to pin 1 of the power main relay.

Okay I need to reiterate my understanding, just to make sure I understand that correctly (sorry, I really am challenged in that short-bus way here). (I haven't had to change any of the connections to the diode, so the wiring that comes out of the diode is exactly as it came off the donor dash harness.)

The BLU/YEL coming out of the diode connects to both pin 1 of the power main relay as well as pin 15 of the door control module?

And pin 1 RED/BLU goes from the diode to the door control module?

Do I have this correct?

edit: I'll try to remember to take pictures tonight, it'll probably be easier to explain or for me to understand with a visual.

Yes. Take the blue/yellow wire that comes out of the diode and connect it to the blue/yellow wire that comes out of pin 15 of the door control module, then take that connection and stick it in pin 1 of the power main relay... then see what happens.

This post has been edited by hurley97: Mar 9, 2010 - 7:29 PM

[GriffGirl]

Should be both. Looks like pin 1 RED/BLU goes to the diode then BLU/YEL out of the diode connects to pin 15 BLU/YEL before going to pin 1 of the power main relay.

Okay I need to reiterate my understanding, just to make sure I understand that correctly (sorry, I really am challenged in that short-bus way here). (I haven't had to change any of the connections to the diode, so the wiring that comes out of the diode is exactly as it came off the donor dash harness.)

The BLU/YEL coming out of the diode connects to both pin 1 of the power main relay as well as pin 15 of the door control module?

And pin 1 RED/BLU goes from the diode to the door control module?

Do I have this correct?

edit: I'll try to remember to take pictures tonight, it'll probably be easier to explain or for me to understand with a visual.

Yes. Take the blue/yellow wire that comes out of the diode and connect it to the blue/yellow wire that comes out of pin 15 of the door control module, then take that connection and stick it in pin 1 of the power main relay... then see what happens.

Damn, I was afraid you'd say that. That's how I had it before, and it made no difference.

[hurley97]

Ok, I just didn't see where you had both of those connected to the power main relay and according to the wiring diagrams they should be. I'm not sure how you have everything or if the relay box is the same for non-power cause if the box is the same and you just put the relay in it that connection is made by a little metal wire in the box itself. I didn't know if you had everything out of the box or if you tried that already or not.

How do you have the power main relay hooked up?

This post has been edited by hurley97: Mar 9, 2010 - 7:55 PM

[GriffGirl]

Ok, I just didn't see where you had both of those connected to the power main relay and according to the wiring diagrams they should be. I'm not sure how you have everything or if the relay box is the same for non-power cause if the box is the same and you just put the relay in it that connection is made by a little metal wire in the box itself. I didn't know if you had everything out of the box or if you tried that already or not.

How do you have the power main relay hooked up?

I'm at work, so I don't have the stuff in front of me, but the way I had the power main relay hooked up was the BLU/YEL from the box and from the diode went to one leg of the power main relay, I had the positive connection to the battery (run through the firewall) to another leg of the pwr mn relay, ground to a third and I think there is a white with green wire that comes off the box and off the driver's side door harness connection (what would be in the junction box where the door harness plugs in) connected to the 4th leg of the power main relay.

I have the diagram for the power main relay connections, so while I don't remember which went to which pin, I did it according to the diagram.

[GriffGirl]

I know I've put a lot to read here...

maybe it would help to point out that the point I'm at with it now is when I have everything connected, if I hit the switches on the master switch, the relay makes clicking sounds, it's just that nothing happens with the damn window.

I did connect the pos batt and the neg directly to the motor to verify that the motor is working properly, and indeed it is. I still just wonder if I'm missing a ground somewhere or something. Like, power is getting to the relay but not being returned "upstream" to the motor for lack of a better term.

[hurley97]

There are a couple of grounds off the switch itself that dont run through the door lock control relay... have you checked those?
You have the wiring book and you aren't dumb so I assume you have everything hooked up ok, was there something you weren't sure about when you were doing it? Maybe start there.

Like everyone kept telling me when I wanted to do my auto to manual swap.... just buy another one that already has it....
lol, I didn't take that for an answer so I assume you won't either

[GriffGirl]

There are a couple of grounds off the switch itself that dont run through the door lock control relay... have you checked those?
You have the wiring book and you aren't dumb so I assume you have everything hooked up ok, was there something you weren't sure about when you were doing it? Maybe start there.

Like everyone kept telling me when I wanted to do my auto to manual swap.... just buy another one that already has it....
lol, I didn't take that for an answer so I assume you won't either

Damn right I won't.


The only thing I wasn't sure about seem to have been answered a few posts ago (page 5?), they're wires that make the thingie chime when your keys are in the ignition, that sort of stuff.

On the part of the door harness that connects to the switch itself, it looks like there are two grounds, both the heavier gauge white with black stripe. Where they correspond to the JB/pillar end of the harness and its connection to the "bridge" harness I made is a little puzzling to me. Again, w/out having it in front of me, I don't remember off the top of my head, but it seems like only 1 of those grounds to the switch actually grounds to the chassis, and the other (I want to say it's pin 9? I don't remember though) actually connects to the blue box.

I'll try to take some pictures tonight, maybe someone with fresh eyes will be able to spot something jumping out that I'm just overlooking.

[viruz_one]

Do you still have the manual door panels and crank?? lol. Wanna sell? I think ill just stick with good-old arm power the wiring seems to much trouble than its worth. :-/

[GriffGirl]

I have both door panels and one crank, sold the other one.

[lonewolf587]

Since im tearing apart my old celi for a parts car I took the time to take some pictures for you! Seems I have photos of parts you havent mentioned... then again I havent read the entire thread again.




The wires seem to go from that junction

Behind the dash

To the radio compartment

Behind the air conditioner stuff behind your glove box

To this box on the passenger side


There also seems to be this box behind the radio compartment that seems essential!
it says Door Control... sorry some of the photos are big I forgot to resize them.. hope this helps in that way you can help me accomplish what you have been trying to do for a lil over a year lol

ALSO i could take pictures of the entire loom outside of the car if you'd like im not sure how much help that would be to you though. The car im taking it off of is the black get in my profile picture it has the stock alarm which looks like its added alot of extra crap that im not sure of at all.

This post has been edited by lonewolf587: Mar 19, 2010 - 2:10 PM

[GriffGirl]

Well the good new is that I have all those parts you so graciously photographed for me (thank you very much, by the way, much appreciated!). Since my stock dash harness isn't equipped for the power windows, I've had to fabricate a "bridge" harness to join the two door panel harnesses to the blue box (Door Control Module). Where I'm stuck is that I'm able to get power to the door control module, and the d/s master switch is sending a "signal" to it, but for some reason it's not returning that "signal" to the window motor.

I have tested and confirmed that the window motor works as it should, of this I'm 100% positive. There's just a missing link somewhere that I'm not seeing; not sure what it is yet. The weather here is supposed to stay good for the weekend, so I intend to dive back into it tomorrow afternoon and see what I can try to work out. I think it has something to do with either a missing ground or the placement of the Power Main Relay in conjunction with the "bridge" harness. But that's totally a guess at this point.

Come hell or high water, I WILL conquer this bitch! At this point it's not even so much as a matter of having power windows as it is just completing the project for the sake of accomplishing it. I will make this window my bitch if it's the last thing I do on this earth.

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Mar 19, 2010 - 2:13 PM

[hurley97]

So from what we already went through it sounds like your power main relay is hooked up properly, plus you say you hear something clicking when you try the switch so I'd have to agree that there is power getting through...

Power Main Relay
pin 1 --> (blu/yel) pin 15 of door lock control relay
pin 1 --> (blu/yel) diode --> (red/blu) pin 1 of door lock control relay <-- power
pin 2 --> (white/black) ground <-- pin 16 of door lock control relay
pin 3 --> (white/green) pin 7 d/s power window switch --> pin 4 pass power window motor
pin 5 --> power

Grounds
Pin 16 off the door lock control relay
Pin 9 -- d/s power window sw
pin 2 -- door key lock and unlock sw right
pin 2 -- door key lock and unlock sw left
pin 9 -- d/s door lock control at power window master sw
pin 4 -- p/s door lock control sw
pin 6 -- d/s door lock motor
pin 6 -- p/s door lock motor

This post has been edited by hurley97: Mar 20, 2010 - 6:22 PM

[lonewolf587]

I'd really like to see this finished and done... but just looking at the wiring harness makes me head spin. Hell even putting in a complete harness from another car is a daunting task. Hopefully someone on here figures this out!! lol

[GriffGirl]

I'd really like to see this finished and done... but just looking at the wiring harness makes me head spin. Hell even putting in a complete harness from another car is a daunting task. Hopefully someone on here figures this out!! lol

you and me both, bruthuh

So from what we already went through it sounds like your power main relay is hooked up properly, plus you say you hear something clicking when you try the switch so I'd have to agree that there is power getting through...

Power Main Relay
pin 1 --> (blu/yel) pin 15 of door lock control relay
pin 1 --> (blu/yel) diode --> (red/blu) pin 1 of door lock control relay <-- power
pin 2 --> (white/black) ground <-- pin 16 of door lock control relay
pin 3 --> (white/green) pin 7 d/s power window switch --> pin 4 pass power window motor
pin 5 --> power

Grounds
Pin 16 off the door lock control relay
Pin 9 -- d/s power window sw
pin 2 -- door key lock and unlock sw right
pin 2 -- door key lock and unlock sw left
pin 9 -- d/s door lock control at power window master sw
pin 4 -- p/s door lock control sw
pin 6 -- d/s door lock motor
pin 6 -- p/s door lock motor

I'm printing this off and taking it home with me to go through everything again, wire by wire. Those pinouts you listed above, they're from the door control module, correct?

[hurley97]

the grounds are yes, the power main relay pins are from the relay unless otherwise stated

[GriffGirl]

Wait, so all of those pins that you labeled as grounds should not be connected to their counterparts on the door harness, they should be grounded?

Grounds
Pin 16 off the door lock control relay
Pin 9 -- d/s power window sw
pin 2 -- door key lock and unlock sw right
pin 2 -- door key lock and unlock sw left
pin 9 -- d/s door lock control at power window master sw
pin 4 -- p/s door lock control sw
pin 6 -- d/s door lock motor
pin 6 -- p/s door lock motor

[hurley97]

what I meant was those are all the grounds in the system and what they come off of.

i.e.

pin 16 off the door lock control relay should be grounded
pin 9 off the driver side master window switch should be grounded
...etc...



sorry

[GriffGirl]

So from what we already went through it sounds like your power main relay is hooked up properly, plus you say you hear something clicking when you try the switch so I'd have to agree that there is power getting through...

Power Main Relay
pin 1 --> (blu/yel) diode --> (red/blu) pin 1 of door lock control relay <-- power

If the blu/yel coming off the diode connects to the red/blu off the DCM & then to the power main relay, what does the red/blu wire coming off the diode connect to, nothing?

[GriffGirl]

One more question about the grounds, too. Are all of those wires cited labeled with what they DO or is that their location? Meaning, are those grounded wires coming off the part of the harness that connects to the door harnesses, or is it literally for example "cut the wire coming off of pin 9 of the d/s power window switch & ground it"? Couldn't I just ground pin 9 (blu/ora) of the connector that plugs into the d/s door harness?