Please dont tell me, that any of you have this Options

[D-Man]

oh crap, this is by far one of the BIGGEST rip-offs i've seen... Theese people have taken a Jelly jar and made an electromagnet into the lid, and are claiming it doubles (or provides up to 430% increases in) your gas, Increases your (naturally aspirated) Boost, and you only gotta fill up this jar once every 8-9 months. It Cleans your engine, and prevents smog. Infact it even repairs the atmosphere.


http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=woracal

Goodness, will theese people ever stop with the scams? and how many people will fall for this one?

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 14, 2008 - 12:35 PM

[bloodrain]

Oh man I bought one of those for my Bughatti Veyron! Hope i didn't get scammed!

[D-Man]

Oh man I bought one of those for my Bughatti Veyron! Hope i didn't get scammed!

How are you gunna spend that kind of money on a car, and then put some piece of crap machine that's going to inject electrified water into the combustion chamber?



I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but: Common Man!!

[lubu]

Im not sure if that works but the principal seems very interesting. It is not an "electromagnet" (where did you come up with this?) its called water electrolysis.

2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2 (or HHO as he stated)

From there you obtain oxyhydrogen (HHO) and this gaseous mixture can combust if you introduce a spark, flame to it.

Very interesting indeed.

Edit: If it combust, that would means a bigger explosion in the combustion chamber thus creating more chemical energy ---> more mechanical energy.

This post has been edited by lubu: Jul 14, 2008 - 1:58 PM

[CelicaST_CALI]

mabye i can buy some flame stickers to give me even better power ....

[lubu]

Oh man I bought one of those for my Bughatti Veyron! Hope i didn't get scammed!

How are you gunna spend that kind of money on a car, and then put some piece of crap machine that's going to inject electrified water into the combustion chamber?



I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but: Common Man!!

D-Man its not water, after electrolysis it'll be in gaseous state which can be ignited by spark.

[D-Man]

It is not an "electromagnet" (where did you come up with this?) its called water electrolysis.

That's what it looks like in the picture.

D-Man its not water, after electrolysis it'll be in gaseous state which can be ignited by spark.

If HHO is such a combustible substance, why dont cars run off of it instead of a non-renewable fuel source, like we run currently?


Also, I tend to get a bit worried (when for $200) i read this:

The only way to know about Water4Gas:

(1) Don't listen to anybody!
(2) Read my e-books to discover how we are getting ACTUAL RESULTS right now,
(3) Test it yourself!

Dont listen to anybody?

Common Man!

EDITED

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 14, 2008 - 2:19 PM

[Sinyk]

If HHO is such a combustible substance, why dont cars run off of it instead of a non-renewable fuel source, like we run currently?

Greedy oil companies trying to rule the world? WTB more electric cars that look normal!

This post has been edited by Sinyk: Jul 14, 2008 - 2:21 PM

[D-Man]

Greedy oil companies trying to rule the world?

Speaking of witch, (on a quick side-note) i'm sure the middle east wouldn't be jacking up their prices and trying to "kill us at the pump"; if it wasn't for Exxon and Cheveron, and Shell (and a few others) Reporting RECORD high's in profits, showing several Hundred Trillion dollars

[lubu]

And if HHO is such a super-riffic idea, why dont cars run off of it instead of a non-renewable fuel source, like we run currently?

Yea its what Ive been wondering too, maybe the combustion isnt that great to power the engine.

Maybe blooddrain can tells us after he gets it...

[DEATH]

We did this experiment in 8th grade science in NY. Remember the residue it left from imperfect water? I want none of that in my engine.

[lubu]

We did this experiment in 8th grade science in NY. Remember the residue it left from imperfect water? I want none of that in my engine.

Its distilled water (meaning it is purified).

Claimed water fuelled engines often obtain hydrogen by electrolysis of water. The electrolysis cell must be powered electrically. The hydrogen and oxygen obtained by this electrolysis can then be burned but more energy is required to drive the electrolysis cell than can be extracted from the resulting hydrogen-oxygen mixture. Otherwise, such a system would be equivalent to a perpetual motion machine.

Just as I thought the power out put by this process is insufficient.

When hydrogen is burned, the heat it creates can be converted into work by a conventional Otto cycle car engine, but the efficiency of such engines is limited by the second law of thermodynamics and is likely to be around 20%.[3][4] 5]

Hey 20% is pretty good but we wont get that from a jar with water will we.

[D-Man]

here is a fun fact

Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to increase automotive engine efficiency or to operate a car using water as a fuel.Many of these claims, prima facie, violate the Laws of thermodynamics.

(click on quote box for source link)

Thats one law you dont wanna get caught breaking

Maybe blooddrain can tells us after he gets it...

that's a great idea, I'll find out, and wont destroy my engine in the process

J/P w/ ya blooddrain

Remember the residue it left from imperfect water? I want none of that in my engine.

That's what i'm thinking, there is also the fact of this jar of water lasting for months at a time, and we all know how water gets "icky" after it's sat for long enough.

EDIT:

electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O

The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it.

So electrofied water turns into this combustable gas...Then it turns back into water when it's combusted......... Hey dosen't combustion take place INSIDE your engine?

Then Pt. II, It takes more power to produce the oxy, than it gives back...

Thank you WIKI, for proving my points

Myth-Busted

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 14, 2008 - 3:07 PM

[bloodrain]

Oh man I bought one of those for my Bughatti Veyron! Hope i didn't get scammed!

How are you gunna spend that kind of money on a car, and then put some piece of crap machine that's going to inject electrified water into the combustion chamber?



I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be rude, but: Common Man!!

I dont think you understood the slight sarcasm/joke. A Bughatti Veyron is a $1,000,000 dollar car.... nevermind.

[D-Man]

A Bughatti Veyron is a $1,000,000 dollar car.... nevermind.

you mean you dont have that kind of money just laying arround



i have no idea who's got that kind of dough, and who dosen't. (you could have rebuild an old 50year old one ) Hell, my boss is in the process of importing a brand new lambo. His porche isn't good enough anymore. and i can't have it

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 14, 2008 - 3:39 PM

[lubu]

here is a fun fact

Oxyhydrogen is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to increase automotive engine efficiency or to operate a car using water as a fuel.Many of these claims, prima facie, violate the Laws of thermodynamics.

(click on quote box for source link)

Thats one law you dont wanna get caught breaking

Not one law, but three. We are not talking abt using it as fuel or gain huge power.

Remember the residue it left from imperfect water? I want none of that in my engine.

That's what i'm thinking, there is also the fact of this jar of water lasting for months at a time, and we all know how water gets "icky" after it's sat for long enough.

Its distilled water therefore no impurities.

EDIT:

electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O

The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it.

So electrofied water turns into this combustable gas...Then it turns back into water when it's combusted......... Hey dosen't combustion take place INSIDE your engine?

Then Pt. II, It takes more power to produce the oxy, than it gives back...

Thank you WIKI, for proving my points

Myth-Busted

You really have no idea of anything you wrote.

Before you starting to laugh...

Ever heard of water injection???

BTW the H2O is not in liquid state, its in gaseous form and will exits via the exhaust manifold out to the muffler. Do you really think dropplet of water can form in the combustion chamber?? Water evaporate at 100 degree celcius while its several hundred degree at least inside the chambers.

You're not making any sense, we are not here to see how efficient it is. What my intention was if you can gain that HHO and use it, anygain is good. Remember no engine in this world is 100% efficient.

Wiki provides facts but you need to understand these facts before quoting them.

This post has been edited by lubu: Jul 14, 2008 - 3:46 PM

[D-Man]

Just because you can do something, Dosen't make it a good idea. Distilled water alone will eventually cause corrosion. Water injection systems have additives in the water that are designed to get the cooling fluid mixture in there, cool everything, and get out w/o sticking to your internals. Granted, WI is a good system, but only for an application that calls for it.

But if you believe in it so much, i'd be interested to see the results that you have with it. Personally, I just dont see how this could be a good idea. It reminds me of the "Electric-TurboChargers" rip-off.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 14, 2008 - 4:08 PM

[lubu]

Just because you can do something, Dosen't make it a good idea. Distilled water alone will eventually cause corrosion. Water injection systems have additives in the water that are designed to get the cooling fluid mixture in there, cool everything, and get out w/o sticking to your internals. Granted, WI is a good system, but only for an application that calls for it.

But if you believe in it so much, i'd be interested to see the results that you have with it. I just dont see how this could be a good idea. Remids me of the "Electric-TurboChargers" rip-off.

Water injection I believe contains water and alcohol maybe some oil and the oil is to prevent corrosion.
I never said I believe in it, I was simply showing interest, I hold nothing against you but you need to understand facts before arguing withone one abt something you dont know/not sure.

[D-Man]

you need to understand facts before arguing with one one about something you don't know/not sure.

That's a great statement, but this thing is crap. I know this. I'm Sure of this. Hell, look at the picture, it's a jelly jar. It's a $200, electromagnetic, power-Consuming, Jellyless - jelly jar.

Also; Lubu, i'm not arguing with ya. You've managed to bring alot of good points to this discussion, but some of them (the point) lack a full comprehension to it's meaning in respective medium. (In otherwords, You're giving our jelly-jar the benefit of the doubt, but who-ever made this jelly jar, didnt think this stuff all the way through.) atleast, that's how it seems to me.

But we are quickly breaking this jelly jar and it's function down to the basics really well! (IMO) I'm not arguing at all, i'm rather enjoying this conversation. (oh the 3pt font earlier wasn't yelling at you btw; it was just an way of expression i have sometimes kinda like an announcement) my grammar is off, i know

EDIT: look at our last 2 post, We're arguementably agreeing about WI systems

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jul 14, 2008 - 4:37 PM

[MercuryFree]

Greedy oil companies trying to rule the world?

Speaking of witch, (on a quick side-note) i'm sure the middle east wouldn't be jacking up their prices and trying to "kill us at the pump"; if it wasn't for Exxon and Cheveron, and Shell (and a few others) Reporting RECORD high's in profits, showing several Hundred Trillion dollars

Got a source for your 'several hundred trillion dollars'? Shell for instance in the 2006/7 financial year made a total profit of USD$31billion...methinks it's unlikely that that's suddenly spiked into the trillions,even with the recent increases in fuel prices.

Oil companies have some of the lowest margins of any industry ffs, they're only making more money because the raw materials cost more, so maintaining the same (low) profit margin they get more out of it. Which causes inflation, which makes their costs rise, which makes them make even LOWER margins.

Hype fail.


Back on topic, this guy I know who is an electrician rigged up his car with a home-made one of these systems and supposedly it DOES work, but it's nothing huge and miraculous of a difference. Further reading.

This post has been edited by MercuryFree: Jul 14, 2008 - 4:57 PM