3S-GE ACIS/Beams discussion, Discussion about ACIS, TVIS, VVT-i, etc. applicable to 3S-GE motors Options

[richee3]

Per Puretone, via mr2.co when I asked if the injectors had been touched:

Hey Dan,

From what I can tell & the performance shop can tell, these injectors are untouched. The only thing that could have been done to them to increase cc's is somebody screwing around with the nozzles.... which did not happen.
We are mystified what's causing the jump in flow. They were surprisingly clean too. The tech-geek doing the injectors was surprised to see such little wear & crud on/in them.
Weird weird weird....I'll be doing more with them soon enough. Gotta find some spare time.

[ricochet1490]

Dan, check back with him. They are so new, maybe the guy who owned that modified motor but different injectors in? I.E. - Blacktop Beams injectors? Do we have flowrate numbers for the blacktop injectors?

[BonzaiCelica]

this pictures is originally 3507 x 2480 but when I upload ti photo bucket it downsizes it to 1024 x 860??

how do i get it to upload to the full image size

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 9, 2012 - 11:07 PM

[njccmd2002]

^^^ pay for a pro account.... lol

[BonzaiCelica]

parts cross referenced for members in Europe and US


-MAF Sensor (22204-20010) for Camry Engines 1MZFE 3.0L V6 and 2002 (2AZFE 2.4L) 4 cylinder
-Timing Belt (13568-80015) same for Altezza RS200 (3sge beams with dual VVT-I)
-Two Ring Gaskets for Exhaust B-pipe to Header Manifold (90917-06075) same as 2001-2003 Highlander 1MZ-FE
-Engine Gasket Kit (04111-74710)
-Head Gasket (11115-88560)
-Head Studs (90910-02094) same as 95 MR2 Turbo
-Valve Cover Gasket (11213-88560)
-Inner Valve Cover Gasket (11214-88560) these are for the spark plugs
-Water Pump (16100-79225) This is the same as USA 1995 Toyota MR2 Turbo
-Thermostat (90916-03100) for 2007 Sequoia, Land Cruiser and Sequoia 4.0L V6 and 4.8L V8 Engines
-Thermostat Housing (16321-88460)
-Clutch Disc (31250-20331) 1999 ST204 5SFE
-Clutch Cover/Pressure Plate (31210-44010) I'd get a stage 2, 5sfe aftermarket pressure plate if I were you !!
-Oxygen Sensor (89465-20620) Japan Only
-3rd and 4th Gen 3SGE B-pipe is identical, but location for oxygen sensor is different

3rd Gen 3sge b-pipe


4th Gen 3sge beams b-pipe


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 23, 2013 - 11:50 PM

[Rusty]

Seen below is a stock redtop 3sge exhaust manifold. Cant find any pictures of a 3rd gen 3sge, but I'd assume would be the same.

So I've recently found for sale here in NZ, Gen 3 3S-GE extractors. They do look a lot tidier/smoother inside compared to the above BEAMS ones, but they have been painted/coated in something, so i'm not sure if its been ported or not at the same time.

[KAOS]

This thread is a goldmine. Great work, all!

[KAOS]

parts cross referenced for members in Europe and US


• MAF Sensor (22204-20010) for Camry Engines 1MZFE 3.0L V6 and 2002 (2AZFE 2.4L) 4 cylinder
• Timing Belt (13568-80015) same for Altezza
• Two Ring Gaskets for Exhaust B-pipe to Header Manifold (90917-06075) same as 2001-2003 Highlander 1MZ-FE
• Engine Gasket Kit (04111-74710)
• Water Pump (16100-79226)
• Thermostat (90916-03100) for 2007 Sequoia, Land Cruiser and Sequoia 4.0L V6 and 4.8L V8 Engines
• Thermostat Housing (16321-88460)
• Clutch Disc (31250-20331) 1999 ST204 5SFE
• Clutch Cover/Pressure Plate (31210-44010) or 2nd Gen. 3sgte USDM (31210-20321)
• Oxygen Sensor (89465-20620) Japan Only
• 3rd and 4th Gen 3SGE B-pipe is identical, but location for oxygen sensor is different

3rd Gen 3sge b-pipe


4th Gen 3sge beams b-pipe

Do you happen to know the parts number for the "Ignition Coil Assembly"?

[BonzaiCelica]

speaking of porting and smoothing out the header, I tried it on one and it took me atleast 30 min to smooth some of it down with a small dremel tool. The material is real thick. It would take me somewhere around 3 hours to do all four.

sorry man ^^ I don't know.

[3WayStunna]

parts cross referenced for members in Europe and US


• MAF Sensor (22204-20010) for Camry Engines 1MZFE 3.0L V6 and 2002 (2AZFE 2.4L) 4 cylinder
• Timing Belt (13568-80015) same for Altezza
• Two Ring Gaskets for Exhaust B-pipe to Header Manifold (90917-06075) same as 2001-2003 Highlander 1MZ-FE
• Engine Gasket Kit (04111-74710)
• Water Pump (16100-79226)
• Thermostat (90916-03100) for 2007 Sequoia, Land Cruiser and Sequoia 4.0L V6 and 4.8L V8 Engines
• Thermostat Housing (16321-88460)
• Clutch Disc (31250-20331) 1999 ST204 5SFE
• Clutch Cover/Pressure Plate (31210-44010) or 2nd Gen. 3sgte USDM (31210-20321)
• Oxygen Sensor (89465-20620) Japan Only
• 3rd and 4th Gen 3SGE B-pipe is identical, but location for oxygen sensor is different

3rd Gen 3sge b-pipe


4th Gen 3sge beams b-pipe

Do you happen to know the parts number for the "Ignition Coil Assembly"?

Blaktop Ignition Coil Assy - (COIL ASSY, IGNITION = 90919‑02236)

[DimaGT4]

ok so i gathered some info from the beams redtop forums. all prices are American Dollars.

Total for Individual Throttle Bodies $2,226.42 (this includes center pull linkage, tps, gasket, bolts etc.)





engine block can be bored to 86.45 mm and compression will be at 12.5:1 with 98 RON Fuel. or you can run up to 13.5:1 compression on 100 RON Fuel.


Rod and Rod Bolts $1236.90


Set of 4 Inlet Cam $1030.75, Cams $412.30


Valve Springs $618.45

Hello!

Where to buy the piston connecting rods and camshafts.
The compression piston 13. Camshafts duration-257 lift-13 Intake Cam is VVT-I enabled. Forged Rods 8mm longer than Standard Rods Rod Ratio - 1.7.

[delusionz]

Seen below is a stock redtop 3sge exhaust manifold. Cant find any pictures of a 3rd gen 3sge, but I'd assume would be the same.
So I've recently found for sale here in NZ, Gen 3 3S-GE extractors. They do look a lot tidier/smoother inside compared to the above BEAMS ones, but they have been painted/coated in something, so i'm not sure if its been ported or not at the same time.

notice #1 port is slightly wider than the rest to accomodate for the sharp angle at which it comes out of the head and starts heading diagonally towards the alternator before making a sharp exit outwards. this "design flaw" is common to the gen3 3sgte aswell, which other motors are like this too???

[BonzaiCelica]

how the helk would you port down the inside of the exhaust header. I tried doing it with a small handheld dremmel tool and one took exhaust port(whatever you call it) took about 30 min to grind down 2mm all around.

[BonzaiCelica]

Over the past couple of months I have been searching for more information about the 3S-GE motors. I've found some info regarding the powerdeck spacer and making a custom intake manifold, ACIS plus turbo which I'm going to add later.

I came across on Celica-Club UK, a dyno graph which show the results 'before and after' of the powerdeck spacer, and has also come back into discussion over there recently, so I thought I might aswell post it up here swell.

"there was 5 months between dyno's

before
180 bhp @ 7300
135.7 lbft @ 4988
after
181.9 bhp @ 7139
135.8 lbft @ 4733"

[mi645]

Someone needs to provide you with AIR TOOLS.

[Rusty]

how the helk would you port down the inside of the exhaust header. I tried doing it with a small handheld dremmel tool and one took exhaust port(whatever you call it) took about 30 min to grind down 2mm all around.

Did you mark out the ports or just grind 2mm all the way around? Did you do a slight step down on the bottom as mentioned previously in this thread?
also +1 on good tools, makes it so much easier.

Where on the web did you find that article also? As it would be interesting to see others findings. Just as long as its not the weird Europe way of dyno figures

I still think that's a bit of a gimmick item. As the intake runners are longer in low rpm's (open) & short in high rpm's (closed)

[BonzaiCelica]

this is pic above is one member from beams forum. he said 8bhp which i believe is bolognee but he said he modified the b-pipe section and had an air intake. we all know air intakes are a no no with beams motor that is unless its bigger than 72mm inner diameter? hmm i want to see if it works better with larger air intake piping...

anyway that article is from vincent doggy's thread. i google searched the intake and got nothing.

a local member mi645 has one on his swap perhaps he can do a before and after dyno with and without it on.

Port matching explained... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHxpBxP3CY

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 25, 2017 - 7:12 PM

[mi645]

deck spacer? and i have the imec ecu i was gonna try to tune it but i couldnt get the software

[BonzaiCelica]

i was taking a look on Fujitsubo japan website for the Header power gains for the Celica/MR2 3rd gen 3sge and it was a 5.1ps increase while the Integra Type R DC2 was a 5.9ps increase. So with a 3sge Beams Redtop you can anywhere in that range. Fujitsubo LEGALIS R MAKES 3.9PS as a bolt on system after catalytic converter for the 3rd gen 3sge. Could be a bit more for the 4th gen 3sge I'm sure.

Also the stainless header will increase exhaust noise by 4db and lists that the Super Ex Fujitsubo Header and Bpipe weighs 9.1kg = 20 lbs. I wonder what the stock header and bpipe weighs??

Stock Header and Bpipe on SW20 = 15kg, Fujitsubo Header and Bpipe on SW20 = 11kg(they include a bolt on heat shield for SW20). So a 8.82 pound weight loss.


So a Fujitsubo Legalis R header, de-cat pipe and Fujitsubo legalis R exhaust. you can see a 11-13ps (depending on 3rd or 4th generation 3sge) increase. not bad. A straight through muffler like HKS or Kakimoto might be a bit more but not much.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 10, 2016 - 2:27 PM

[Smaay]

head design, valve size, engine design. just cause a header is built similarly, dont mean it will perform the same on different platforms