The Future of Engine Swaps Options

[njccmd2002]

I've been pushing the Solora V6 swap for a few years now... yeah... I need to do one soon.

-Doc

how much for one OTD. with engine provided?

[brthrurik]

BRS Twin-Turbo Tundra Powered RWD xB

"The title says it all for this one. BRS’ Leigh Guarnieri has outdone himself, and that’s saying quite a bit since his turbocharged Honda Fit was a big hit at last year’s SEMA Show. Using mounts provided by K2 Motoring, some ingenuity and a sprinkling of divine inspiration, Guarnieri shoehorned a 4.7-liter Tundra V8 into the diminutive xB. The built V8 is boosted by a Peak Boost GT35-R-based turbo kit that positions the turbos right next to the headlight assemblies. Tuning is handled by an AEM EMS engine management system. The VIP Forged Alloy wheels are temporary as the final products will measure a staggering 20x15 and 20x20 with huge lip. Wilwood six-piston calipers and 15-inch rotors are in charge of halting the humongous Pirelli gumballs. The Scion has been converted to rear-wheel drive with a Ford 9-inch rear-end and custom four-link suspension set-up. Too bad all the Scion could do was sit in Mobil 1’s booth because this monster would be something to see at the strip or on the drift."

this looks like it would be incredibly fun!

[GriffGirl]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque

Anyway it's totally gonna be my next car, so I can start that Blacktop 6 speed swap into my celi

3s-ge blacktop though? I thought the blacktop was 4a-ge. There's a 3s-ge blacktop too? hmm....

[Rusty]

^ yup 3S-GE VVTi in +98 SS-II/III are single cam advancement, blacktop is duo.


i'd like to see a blacktop 3SGE 6GC celica...plus turbo? but theres something aboutthe blacktop fitting in there? head swap?

[block]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque

i beg to differ my co-worker has one (2006) and the interior is just plain cheap. just knock on the plastic panel on the door and dash and you'll see why newer cars are made like that to shave off weight, i would think so. otherwise, you can't complain about the exterior. i love the looks of the exterior. the interior of the 6th gen celica was very well laid out and i think it's one of the best interiors i've ever been in a car. i guess everyone has different tastes and views of it but whatever lol.

anyways, back on topic. i used to love toyota. now i hate toyota. i, for one, am glad that i lived through the 90s to see the import super cars battle (supra, 300zx, rx7, mr2, civic si, 240sx, etc etc). now and days, there aren't much to see. the new models are so bland, especially the new venza. it's just plain ugly. only new toyota i would get is the camry se. otherwise im crawling to nissan & honda. this is the reason why i'm going to buy myself an EM1. there are endless mods and engine swaps. sorry toyota but you suck!

This post has been edited by block: Oct 31, 2008 - 4:28 PM

[GriffGirl]

When those Toyotas outlive all the others, you won't be saying they suck! LOL j/p

As for the blacktop - ah, of course, BEAMS blacktop. I knew that, I don't know where my head was. I guess I'm so used to hearing it referred to specifically as a BEAMS blacktop that the actual engine code threw me off. D'oh!

You know, I think that the way automotive engineering is going with everything being so sensor-reliant, it will make swaps much more difficult and is likely to narrow the range of swap-ability, within the confines of mechanical ability at least. Now if there's someone who can hack ECU software and start mating up things differently so they can work together, that might be a different story. But there will just be different challenges now. Our cars will become more and more rare, and while our cars and available swap engines age, the swaps will soon enough be left to those who really know what they're doing, as the engines will have to be rebuilt/refurbished basically to bring them up to like-new. Maybe it'll separate the "men from the boys" as they say.

[Kwanza26]

i beg to differ my co-worker has one (2006) and the interior is just plain cheap. just knock on the plastic panel on the door and dash and you'll see why newer cars are made like that to shave off weight, i would think so. otherwise, you can't complain about the exterior. i love the looks of the exterior. the interior of the 6th gen celica was very well laid out and i think it's one of the best interiors i've ever been in a car. i guess everyone has different tastes and views of it but whatever lol.

And you are CLEARLY being objective! Unfortunately pretty much all of the newer Toyotas are like that.

Anyway, as far as new engines to swap... NONE. Toyota doesn't make money from build sporty cars anymore. They make more money building a few engines and putting them in different packages. But Honda K20s are still nice, the older toyota motors are still cool, etc. There isn't any new Toyota vehicle that I would want to swap in a more performance oriented motor anyway... although a 2ZZ Yaris sedan would be fun.

[Dr_Tweak]

I've been pushing the Solora V6 swap for a few years now... yeah... I need to do one soon.

-Doc

how much for one OTD. with engine provided?

Looking at around $6500 - $7500 or so.

You know, I think that the way automotive engineering is going with everything being so sensor-reliant, it will make swaps much more difficult and is likely to narrow the range of swap-ability, within the confines of mechanical ability at least. Now if there's someone who can hack ECU software and start mating up things differently so they can work together, that might be a different story. But there will just be different challenges now. Our cars will become more and more rare, and while our cars and available swap engines age, the swaps will soon enough be left to those who really know what they're doing, as the engines will have to be rebuilt/refurbished basically to bring them up to like-new. Maybe it'll separate the "men from the boys" as they say.

You're absolutely right... CAN BUS controlled systems are in pretty much everything now... which makes swapping very, very difficult.

-Doc

[block]

couldn't you put a b-series or something in a celica? i mean those motors are small, light, and can be mod to go super fast because they respond well to little mods/turbo. forget the "honda" name, think of possibilities lol

This post has been edited by block: Oct 31, 2008 - 11:28 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

couldn't you put a b-series or something in a celica? i mean those motors are small, light, and can be mod to go super fast because they respond well to little mods/turbo. forget the "honda" name, think of possibilities lol

Ban him.

[BonzaiCelica]

couldn't you put a b-series or something in a celica? i mean those motors are small, light, and can be mod to go super fast because they respond well to little mods/turbo. forget the "honda" name, think of possibilities lol

Ban him.

haha doc i agree ban that guy. I totally hate those little civics, with their vtec engine. They think they are the shiznit cause they have a light fast car, Most civics look like crap on the inside and out of the car. civics dont have half as much looks as the celicas do neither do the integras. But ya dissapointed to hear that toyota celica version will only be sold in japan. Man toyota needs a sports car and fast. Looks like im going through with the beams swap for sure now! and ya come to think of it, our celica's are starting to get old dam!! but they still look really good as always

[terqui]

Its nothing new and its been done before but 2zz in a 2200lb MR-S is always fun. Its rear wheel drive, and you cant beat a light car with a high revving engine? (Elise killer anyone?)

[JDM_Factory]

I'm starting to standardize my swap primarily on v6 swaps now. 3vz and the 1st gen 1mz is a great motor is start with. The 3mz with a sc is my next stage in the v6 series. It's not that hard to find these parts either and it's absolutely not hard. Only the wiring and the electrical stuff.

One day I'll figure out a way to reprogram the ecu's to ignore or think it's in function for the immobilizer.

[playr158]

^ yup 3S-GE VVTi in +98 SS-II/III are single cam advancement, blacktop is duo.


i'd like to see a blacktop 3SGE 6GC celica...plus turbo? but theres something aboutthe blacktop fitting in there? head swap?

why would you head swap a blacktop Beams? Turboing them isn't too bad at all and yeilds pretty good results

but this is the motor I would ideally want in my car...but the fabrication requirements is appearing to be a bit of a pita....
don't know if you could sufficiently use an ST205 rear end or have to go with an IS300 Rear end + Quiffe LSD

[Rusty]

why would you head swap a blacktop Beams?

because "theres something about the blacktop fitting in there" its a RWD ONLY 3S-GE. where as gen4 3S-GE was both wasn't it? look at the size across, that would not fit it + the engine mounts are different.

[whatthe]

just a little offtopic, but if later on down the track (3 years or so) i might consider a engine swap, how much does it all cost 5grand?. Id be looking into a 3S-GTE. . or just a 3S-GE, could i fit those lexus 2jz beams into our celicas?

After saying all that would it be hard finding a good engine, 3 years down the track or would it become harder and rarer?

Thats all

[playr158]

why would you head swap a blacktop Beams?

because "theres something about the blacktop fitting in there" its a RWD ONLY 3S-GE. where as gen4 3S-GE was both wasn't it? look at the size across, that would not fit it + the engine mounts are different.

did you :read: my entire post....of course its RWD setup
but thanks for stating the obvious points

a the beams head is pretty much the entire point of the Blacktop 3sge...if you want a blacktop and FWD you'd get a blacktop 4age.
how do you expect a headswap to make it fit any better?



This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 3, 2008 - 7:08 AM

[blu94gt]

What about a TRD supercharged 2AZ out of a Scion tC/Camry?

[95celgt]

i want an audi TT motor in a celica, either the AMU 1.8T like the one i have or the 3.2 with a supercharger.......they are smooth and easy to mod for nice power, the only downfall is the TT is SOOOOOoo heavy, in a 6gc with 4WD it could be a great car

Eitherway tweak im gonna have you build something truely out of the ordinary in about 2 years, so cook something up by then, and make it either 4wd or RWD

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

audi pfft.
20b rotary, T51r turbo, microtech, big fmic, rwd, getrag 6 speed, lsd=win