The Future of Engine Swaps Options

[gt_driFFter]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque

I haven't been in the 08 or 09, but if they are anything like the "1st gen" tc's, then yes... they look and feel very cheap. Like kwanza said, most of the new toyota's do. Toyota's of the 90's were much better in those respects.

[95celgt]

audi pfft.
20b rotary, T51r turbo, microtech, big fmic, rwd, getrag 6 speed, lsd=win

yea man have you ever heard a built rotary??? a big factor in my thoughts is engine sound.......i've had 2 rotaries and they aren't very easy to live with, especially when they sound like a lawnmower on roids

[Akirad1]

yes rotarys are nice for the torque band but they are a Bastard when it comes to keeping them cool.
go to a rx7 forum and ask them they will tell you that they spent alot of money on just to keep it cool.

[Culpable04]

how often do they rebuilt those rotaries ? I have a friend with a RX7 and the car is just lovely, fast, clean, perfect. it has only 70 K miles. the engine has been replaced twice. I always blame him for that, but he says is the actual engine, they don't handle boost too well.


I think in the near future, we're just gonna keep rebuilding the old school engines, Toyota is not building anything to replace them, and a V6 swap doesn't sound as tempting to me. the 7th gen GTS engine, was a really good engine, but they didn't stick to it for too long to improve it, plus the 7th gen could have been lighter to be a better match to this engine.

Unless Toyota comes with something for car enthusiast affordable, I see almost everyone going to Honda.

[Akirad1]

how often do they rebuilt those rotaries ? I have a friend with a RX7 and the car is just lovely, fast, clean, perfect. it has only 70 K miles. the engine has been replaced twice. I always blame him for that, but he says is the actual engine, they don't handle boost too well.


I think in the near future, we're just gonna keep rebuilding the old school engines, Toyota is not building anything to replace them, and a V6 swap doesn't sound as tempting to me. the 7th gen GTS engine, was a really good engine, but they didn't stick to it for too long to improve it, plus the 7th gen could have been lighter to be a better match to this engine.

Unless Toyota comes with something for car enthusiast affordable, I see almost everyone going to Honda.

im sure they do normal race aplication rebuild, just depends on how hard they drive them and for what aplication they are being used for like drift, drag, rally x im sure you just gotta factor all of that into how and when it need to be rebuilt

[playr158]

Rotary engines in RX7s get replaced A LOT....they aren't long lasting motors at all.

[punkuup5150]

what about the motor our of the new toyota Aurion

heres a pic i dont meber what the spec are but i beleave they were close to the 3sgte or at leaast in the ballpark



found it

Powertrain Engine Power Torque Transmission
2.0 L 1AZ-FE I4 108 kW (145 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft) 4-speed U241E automatic
2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 123 kW (165 hp) 224 N·m (165 lb·ft) 5-speed U250E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE V6 200 kW (268 hp) 336 N·m (248 lb·ft) 6-speed U660E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE supercharged V6 241 kW (323 hp) 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)

[Dr_Tweak]

just a little offtopic, but if later on down the track (3 years or so) i might consider a engine swap, how much does it all cost 5grand?. Id be looking into a 3S-GTE. . or just a 3S-GE, could i fit those lexus 2jz beams into our celicas?

After saying all that would it be hard finding a good engine, 3 years down the track or would it become harder and rarer?

Thats all

$5k to $7k yeah. 2JZGE is out of the question for that price range, it would be a lot more expensive.

I wouldn't worry, there should be a steady flow of good engines coming in.

i want an audi TT motor in a celica, either the AMU 1.8T like the one i have or the 3.2 with a supercharger.......they are smooth and easy to mod for nice power, the only downfall is the TT is SOOOOOoo heavy, in a 6gc with 4WD it could be a great car

Eitherway tweak im gonna have you build something truely out of the ordinary in about 2 years, so cook something up by then, and make it either 4wd or RWD

Yeah I don't know about the Audi engine, but we'll fix you up with something real nice when you're ready

what about the motor our of the new toyota Aurion

heres a pic i dont meber what the spec are but i beleave they were close to the 3sgte or at leaast in the ballpark



found it

Powertrain Engine Power Torque Transmission
2.0 L 1AZ-FE I4 108 kW (145 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft) 4-speed U241E automatic
2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 123 kW (165 hp) 224 N·m (165 lb·ft) 5-speed U250E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE V6 200 kW (268 hp) 336 N·m (248 lb·ft) 6-speed U660E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE supercharged V6 241 kW (323 hp) 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)

Yeah those numbers are without the supercharger.

And the 323hp version is actually the 2GR-FSE if I recall correctly (Lexus IS350 application).

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Nov 6, 2008 - 8:01 PM

[macavely]

Forgive me if this point has been touched. Im just going off the original post right now.

I would love to see a 6th gen with a 2az fe engine. yea its only 160hp, but it handle boost like a champ. There are many tC running in the 300whp mark with bolt on turbos and Engine Control.

[Dr_Tweak]

That would be a very smart swap for someone with a '96+ Celica who has to pass OBD2 emissions testing.

-Doc

[Rusty]

I know that Toyota is not making any performance engines at the moment, so all engines codes are ***-FE?

[BloodyStupidDave...]

Powertrain Engine Power Torque Transmission
2.0 L 1AZ-FE I4 108 kW (145 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft) 4-speed U241E automatic
2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 123 kW (165 hp) 224 N·m (165 lb·ft) 5-speed U250E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE V6 200 kW (268 hp) 336 N·m (248 lb·ft) 6-speed U660E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE supercharged V6 241 kW (323 hp) 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)

Yeah those numbers are without the supercharger.

And the 323hp version is actually the 2GR-FSE if I recall correctly (Lexus IS350 application).

-Doc

So are they a possibility? What kinda pricerange?

[Dr_Tweak]

Possibility yeah. I'd have to spend some time on it but I suspect it would be in the $8000 range for the whole job.

-Doc

[RUNNIN-LOW]

hey tweak you think? check ebay out that rear end??? but it has nothing with it?? sorry at work i cant link it threw this comp.

[Projek_01]

no doc, the 323hp is the supercharged version. the normal motor only has 280hp before the sae standards and the is350 one has 306hp with direct injection. damnn, that motor looks small on a engine stand. it looks huge in my parent's avalon.

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

yep tweak that looks like the engine in the trd hiluxs and aurions

toyota still make a "G" head engine, its the 2ur-gse in the IS-F

[Rusty]

if they can drop a toyota V8 & RWD in a ST162, im sure we'll be fine

[Hanyo]

dont they have a toyota camry supercharger? cant you swap that into the celica.

[blu94gt]

dont they have a toyota camry supercharger? cant you swap that into the celica.

There's a TRD charger for the 1mz-fe v6 from the Camry. I had looked into swapping the 1mz into an MR2 a couple years back, and adding the supercharger.

[BonzaiCelica]

ya there is a mr2 here in socal witha v6 supercharged engine. it sounds SICK. I dont actually have pics of the engine but only of the car. I took the pic last year at toyo fest.