 will a stock 96 celica beat a stock 99 civic SI? |
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 Oct 8, 2003 - 11:06 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 15, '03 From Sperry, Oklahoma Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
I don't know if this helps at all, but here goes.
I own a '94 Celica ST. No, it's not a beast, but ST's seem to get played down WAY too much around here. There is no doubt in my mind that a GT is faster than an ST or that an GT-4 is faster than that, but when you guys start comparing ST's to EX and DX Civics, that's just wrong, man! I don't know what I would do if I lost to a pathetic DX or EX civic, and I'll tell you, I have a friend with a nice '93 DX civic with a stock D15 engine except for a new cam (SOHC). I've raced him a few times and every time I beat him the same way. I never seem to get off the line as quick as he does, maybe it is because I have a heavier car(?), I don't know, but I WILL tell you this...I spank him in 3rd gear. 1st Gear --Civ Cel 2nd Gear --------Civ -------Cel 3rd -----------------Civ -------------------------Cel If you can picture that, that is the way it went. So is an ST faster than an Si? I doubt. But does the ST deserve the bad wrap everyone seems to give it? I don't think so. P.S. I'd rather lose to a Civic than to a Neon. Those things are gross! Edit: This friend of mine is undergoing an engine swap to a DOHC V This post has been edited by CelicaStud: Oct 8, 2003 - 11:15 PM |
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Oct 9, 2003 - 12:10 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Heh... every car and every driver is different. First off, an ST won't lose to a DX unless you're a sorry driver or you drive an auto. The Civic's d15 has about 100 hp...so you're a fool if you lose. They definately weigh more than Celica ST's... even GT's. I believe Civics weigh about 2600-2700 pounds... anyways, I can't imagine why or how he manages to beat you on the launch. It might just be the driver, but you will pull him every gear if you push your motor. I also find it funny that your 3rd gear pulls so hard...I mean, nearly every "FE" head toyota motor pulls pretty flat in 3rd gear. It could be due to gearing or power delivery with the ratios, but I dunno... 3rd gear is usually where Hondas can walk yotas... anyways, nobody here is bashing Celica ST's... we're being what one would call, realists. Celica ST's are not fast... I mean, mid 17's 1/4 mile stock... that's pretty slow. My ST can probably hit mid-low 16's...but that's yet to be proven... till i hit the track. All I know is, I've never lost to any Civic short of a swapped Civic or an SI.... |
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Oct 9, 2003 - 1:24 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Stock for stock, an ST won't lose to a DX... but I will tell you that I've lost to one back in the days when a header wasn't even an option for us. We both had the same mods except he had a header. I lost by about half a car's length... For all you "I wanna be a speed racer" peeps, don't underestimate any car on the road... There are a lot of sleepers out there... |
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Oct 27, 2003 - 11:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 15, '03 From Sperry, Oklahoma Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'm pretty sure that the person I bought my car from kept it stock, AND I'm pretty sure I run faster than 17's. Out by my house there is a hill (probably 30%) that my friend and I race up. It's kind of fun, and we both try to hit 60+ by the time we get to a particular driveway with is about 1/5 mile away from the start. On a warm day, I can hit 66, on a cold, 57-60. My friend own a 95 Eagle Talon (not a TSi though) and he gets to about the same speed. We once raced and he beat me by about 1/2 of a car length. Anyways, the point I'm trying to get at is that if I can hit 60+ on a HILL within 1/5 mile and I've guestimated about 80 on a 1/4 level strip (I actually went out to a public road and painted lines), shouldn't I be hitting better than 17's? There's a civic out at the track that hits 16's (ewwww) at top of about 70. What's up with that? Shouldn't I be doing better?
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Oct 27, 2003 - 11:59 PM
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no you shouldnt be doing better
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Oct 28, 2003 - 3:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The fastest I was ever able to pull on a ST with exhaust, intake, and stock 14" rims was 16.545. Now this is one of the fastest times... I know a couple other who got low 16's with more mods... but with a simple setup... mid 16's is still hard to come by with the 7A...
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Oct 28, 2003 - 10:11 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 13, '03 From NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Are you sure you're talking about the right car??? So how come? you didnt catch me up ? from oakdole mall highway.
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:09 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Alright not sure if this makes a diff to any ones argument, but they did make an Si in 97, but it was the civic del-sol. the 160 hp blah blahjh what ever... My frined has it, itsactually quick, i like it but it feels the exact same as my car, an st, until you hit V-tec, then it pulls like a mo-fo...I mean St's really arnt that slow too, in a way, Ive beat a civic dx and an ex
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:18 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 11, '03 From Kennesaw, Ga Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Well, b4 I bought my car I took it to Toyota. When they did their run-through they told me that the car had 114 hp when they tested it. The car's an ST. Don't know if this is true, and I'm not aware of any mods done to the car, so I wouldn't be able to explain how it might be possible if it's true.
However, they did seem to miss the fact that the car was missing a whole piece of the front right bumber and that the headlight wasn't attached below. But hey... what're toyota dealers for right? 
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Ok, first off the dx only has 102 hp an 98 trq.... to kwanza they only are about 2300lb wich is 100 less then the st..... Sh.t my bro has a dx coupe ... an i dont wanna be a an ass but i can drive very well...... ok to settle this my bro can drive just as well well go race tomorrow.... il let you know the results
Ok, also my other frined has a 95 civic ex with intake chip full exhaust , il race him and for sh.ts an giggles il race my freind with his dohc 97 civic del-sol SI This post has been edited by Digndoug: Oct 29, 2003 - 12:27 AM |
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:27 AM
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haha nice buddy
http://www.hondacars.com/models/model_over...ame=Civic+Sedan go there click on civic dx a pop up box will explain everything they dont have those in coupe i already looked |
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Ok, this might help sorry my bro has a 94 civic dx coupe,
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:32 AM
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well you didnt say that...we are comparing 96 celica and 99 SI.
so i went for those years |
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:34 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Yeah my bad, I got carried away with it , any dun-up civic around here, or any that race are the older ones.... well, i beat a new dx , but it was auto, just a funny race really....
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Oct 29, 2003 - 12:35 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the 5spd civic ex's with vtec are pretty quick, back when my car was NA i raced one from 2nd gear and aftr a few seconds he really started to pull on me. but the autos are a whole lot slower. of course now, they are pretty much a waste of time for me, lol. there is this guy that thinks his car(03 EX 5spd) is just as fast as mine when the truth is tha i dont even give it some gas till im in 2nd gear and even then im still not trying and i still get ahead of him. that and the bitch wont even look at me to signify if he wants to race, he just nails it, and i dont want to be the asshole that floors it off the line when the other guy wont race. This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Oct 29, 2003 - 12:36 AM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Oct 29, 2003 - 1:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Did I say that? heh... Civics all typically weigh MORE than 6th gen Celicas. I believe they're in the 2500-2600 neighborhood. The Civic hatchbacks on the other hand, do weigh a lot less... 2200-2300 neighborhood... In all honesty, I doubt my car can pull on Civic EX's... stock for stock, mod for mod. And I do run the 1/4 mile in the mid-low 16's... |
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Oct 29, 2003 - 3:28 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 1, '03 From WV Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
so whats the point in owning a celica? there not fast, i'm getting really sick of mine, i pull up at the garage i work at and every one loves it and thinks it looks fast as hell. but it has nothing. it's like a pretty girlfriend with a stuffed bra and a gurtil, sure she looks hot, but underneath she's not.
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Oct 29, 2003 - 3:41 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Franklin/Nashville, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
so you get her implants.  . or, if you're more into the curves, it's not about how fast she goes, it's how she handles the moves. i.e. engine transplant, or go through the twisties. -------------------- AIM==Mynzeyes
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Oct 29, 2003 - 5:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
werd... 
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