New "Socks" Options

[KAOS]

If rims/rubber are "NEW SHOES" then I'd like to show off my new "SOCKS"

I went with a Crossdrilled Rotor and PBR Ceramic Pads and dirty yellow calipers... lol.

The last brake pads I had on were crap and they were HUGE dust'rs. These ones are performance rated and I was recommended them because of their low dust rating.




What do you think? I still have to do the rears, but I can do those another night. I love having a semi-heated garage!

[Stambo]

PBR? i hope your talking about the beer.

But seriously, I'm liking it. I'm planning to get me some drilled/slotted rotors once spring time rolls around along with some new pads.

[GotToyota]

PBR makes some good pads. Clean those nasty calipers up.

[KAOS]

PBR makes some good pads. Clean those nasty calipers up.

- its dirty around here, and you should have seen the layer of brake dust I cleaned off of everything before I started this project...


Stambo;

I only have the front brakes done and so far I've noticed a WORLD of difference. I could only imagine the bite that slotted rotors would have!

I can't wait to do the rears.

[808celica]

arent performance brake pads like going to wear down faster?? yeah they have less dust but they dont have much of a life span

This post has been edited by 808celica: Dec 2, 2008 - 3:37 AM

[enderswift]

looks sharp.

god im never gonna figure this out. I thought drilled rotors = bad. brembo says so, and so do a bunch of other sources. But i keep seeing OEM's selling cars with drilled disks and plenty of cars in magazines with them. What gives? I thought drilling became obsolete ages ago when pads stopped forming a gas layer under hard braking... also I've read that drilled rotors offer no additional cooling and infact cant hold up to heat without cracking. the only advantage i can see is the additional bite you get and a decreased chance of glazing your pads... but don slotted rotors do the same without the shortcomings of the drilled?

im so confused at this point.

This post has been edited by enderswift: Dec 2, 2008 - 12:54 PM

[KAOS]

From what I've researched; its all a matter of driver preference.

Here:
Slotted Rotor Attributes:

- The slots on the rotor helps clean the brake pad, which improves bite.
- The slots on the rotor will slice the brake pad allowing the pad to bite harder into the disc causing an increase in disc temperatures. This will bring your brakes up to temperature faster , but might also take you too far decreasing the benefit. The slotted rotor coupled with a race pad which need to be heated would be optimum.
- Slotted rotors will also cause slightly more brake pad wear and tear giving you less miles on a pad before it needs to be replaced. Shorter maintenance schedule.
- Slotted rotors allow gas to ventilate during brake fade.
- Slotted rotors are less prone to cracking then the cross drilled rotor.
- Slotted rotors weigh more.
- Slotted rotors have more disc surface.
- Slotted rotors maintain around 96% of the friction surface

Drilled Rotor Attributes:

- Drilled Rotors offer an enhanced initial bite.
- Drilled Rotors perform better in wet weather over the slotted rotor. Due to volume of a hole vs a slot.
- Drilled Rotors are more prone to cracking than slotted.
- Drilled Rotors allow gas to ventilate during brake fade.
- Drilled Rotors offer a performance benefit since they're lighter in weight.
- Drilled Rotors have more ventilation so they should cool off faster , but have less rotor material so they could get hotter than a slotted rotor. But its hard to say as the slotting also increases heat.
- Drilled rotors maintain around 85-93% of the friction surface


Drilled and Slotted Attributes:

- The slotting will increase rotor heat.
- The drilled holes will increase the cooling after braking.
- The drilled holes will increase the water braking.
- Drilled and slotted are the least reliable.
- Drilled and slotted are going to weigh less from the same manufacturer. Other designs might be lighter from company to company.
- Drilled and slotted will give the most performance benefit to acceleration due to the lighter weight.
- Drilled and slotted will also be the hardest on your brake pad (wear and tear)
- Drilled and slotted only maintain 80-91% of the friction surface.

Hope this helps in your decision...!

This post has been edited by KAOS: Dec 2, 2008 - 1:10 PM

[WALKER]

Hey looking good! Sorry I couldn't help you last night. If you don't do the rears tonight, I can help you with them on Thursday night.

[KAOS]

Hey looking good! Sorry I couldn't help you last night. If you don't do the rears tonight, I can help you with them on Thursday night.

Sounds good; I'll hold off until Thursday night to do the rears.

[richee3]

looks sharp.

god im never gonna figure this out. I thought drilled rotors = bad. brembo says so, and so do a bunch of other sources. But i keep seeing OEM's selling cars with drilled disks and plenty of cars in magazines with them. What gives? I thought drilling became obsolete ages ago when pads stopped forming a gas layer under hard braking... also I've read that drilled rotors offer no additional cooling and infact cant hold up to heat without cracking. the only advantage i can see is the additional bite you get and a decreased chance of glazing your pads... but don slotted rotors do the same without the shortcomings of the drilled?

im so confused at this point.

Wait a second.. I thought drilled and slotted rotors were supposed to be the best you can get. Obviously I know nothing about brakes, but my front left rotor is warped and I have needed new pads since I bought the car anyway, so I figured I'd come to this section on the forum and do some learning since I'm going to replace all my pads and the front rotors. I don't want to threadjack, so if someone could PM me some information in dumb person terms, it would be greatly appreciated!

Oh, and KAOS, your brakes look awesome! I'm thinking (and only thinking) about having my calipers powder coated black when I replace everything.

This post has been edited by richee3: Dec 2, 2008 - 6:14 PM

[enderswift]

good response kaos. nice to see someone who actually did their hw. All said and done it looks like you have to match their attributes with your particular setup. slotted works best for me. Unfortunately drilled does look better

oh well, performance > visuals in my book

[Stambo]

I'm still rocking drums in the back. Not to sure when/will do the rear disc conversion.

[GotToyota]

From what I've researched; its all a matter of driver preference.

Here:
Slotted Rotor Attributes:

- The slots on the rotor helps clean the brake pad, which improves bite.
- The slots on the rotor will slice the brake pad allowing the pad to bite harder into the disc causing an increase in disc temperatures. This will bring your brakes up to temperature faster , but might also take you too far decreasing the benefit. The slotted rotor coupled with a race pad which need to be heated would be optimum.
- Slotted rotors will also cause slightly more brake pad wear and tear giving you less miles on a pad before it needs to be replaced. Shorter maintenance schedule.
- Slotted rotors allow gas to ventilate during brake fade.
- Slotted rotors are less prone to cracking then the cross drilled rotor.
- Slotted rotors weigh more.
- Slotted rotors have more disc surface.
- Slotted rotors maintain around 96% of the friction surface

Hope this helps in your decision...!

Yeah, that's why I'll be getting Brembo slotted rotors for the Civic. Good post.

[KAOS]

Hey no worries.
Like I said before, the brakes you go with need to reflect your driving style. Its all a matter of personal preference. There is no "black and white" when it comes to slotted vs crossdrilled rotors.
Just take your time, research all faucets, and go with what works best for you.

Personally, I'll be upgrading to a big brake kit of sorts once the 5SFTE project is complete, but that's a different story... LoL.

Thanks for the comments.