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 Oct 16, 2003 - 2:04 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Ok boys lets cool down....
both of you have great points... yea the swap is better if you want to do more in the future, but yea there are some people that just want a little more power nothin crazy just something to make that midnight tiggermart run a little more fun... i'm one of those people, i will be slapping on a turbo simple cause of the laws in my state. specifical when it comes to insurance. an engine was would not be covered puls that would raise my insure way more then what i could ever pay. if i blow my engine well thats on me i rather blow the stock engine then blow a 3s or 4a cause just because they are built for boost doesn't mean that they can't blow.. Like i was told by some one that knows more about engine then Bill Gates knows about computers... told me an engine can only do what you let it... oh yea another thing just a question for everyone with a swap.. i'm not knocking you for doing it cause i really wish i lived in a state were i can do it and had the money to do it.... but back to my question How do you really know how many miles your engine has when you swap it in?? This post has been edited by macavely: Oct 16, 2003 - 2:18 AM -------------------- |
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Oct 16, 2003 - 4:11 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From Wahiawa, Hawaii Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
For the money, your better off with the Turbo
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Oct 16, 2003 - 1:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
seeing as how I was the only one really replying about doing the swap at the time of your reply it was pretty apparent that you where refering to me.
*sighs* completely uncalled for
Sorry that your father died and your moms sick - but you dont get to pick your life,its handed to you, and to complain about it is pointless so stop. Deal with the hand life has delt you. about the appartment and bills... welcome to the real world kid 
thats independence at it's finest... although you will come to find out that when you think you are in control is when you are are least in control
I talk about the swap alot cuz it is the best thing I have ever done for any of the cars the I have owned or helped to modify... and that is a BIG list.
I had my swap done probably before you had ever even heard of a 3sgte... let alone have a celica.
People have a tendancy to reccomend what has worked for them
Congrats captian obvious! yes there are other alternatives... hence this topic - if there was no other options we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Just a side note here - I have an average IQ of 186 taken from 5 different IQ tests... for those that dont know average IQ is 100 and genius is 200, I have scored as high as 193... so I guess genius is kinda fitting LMAO i just cant spell worth a damn
LMAO! thats fine but what the hell are you doing? I post on my experince and what I have found to be true from YEARS of building cars... and if you go back and reread my last post you will see that I am not actually discuraging people from a turbo kit... I am just trying to make people aware that it might not be the best option, and if your going to do something (weither I think it is a bad choice or not) at least take the time to do it right.
pretty sure I covered this one at the top of the post... 5sfeTurbo... do what the hell you want to your car.. I really don't care, but if I see a post on here 6months, year or some time after you turbo your celi about a "blown motor" or "I got a problem or "car is making a noise" or anyother thing like that expect an "I TOLD YOU SO" from me. macavely whats up man? I'm perfectly cool what ever happened to that MR2 motor you where gonna get? and yea your right.. any motor can blow, thats why it is important to do things the right way and not rush stuff.
You really dont ever know.. tearing the motor apart and doing a rebuild will give you a clue as to how hard the motor has been beaten but not really tell you how many miles there are one it. Best bet is to get your motor from a reputable place.
Not really true.. granted at 1st look it may seem cheaper.... but by the time you get it all done right your looking at about the same as a 3sgte motor. This post has been edited by NEVERSTOP: Oct 16, 2003 - 1:32 PM --------------------  99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Oct 16, 2003 - 4:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
let my cosin have it seeing as it will drop right into his MR2... we are going to trun that into a monster...lol ...lol ..lol... yea i have problems and hey i scored a 190 an my IQ test and can't spell to save my life...whats up with that...and i guess i'm just hard headed cause i have it stuck in my head that i can boost up to 200hp and keep it as any everyday driver... i like pushing things to limits other people suggest against....lol lol i told you people i have problems... lol lol
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Oct 16, 2003 - 10:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
NEVERSTOP running your mouth do you? You must have a complex in which you feel that your actions or words are always justifiable, and you show your obsessiveness for making sure your reply was justified with that utterly pointless reply(mocking my every sentence) I am glad your a genius no really thats comendable. But dont jump to conclusions, on my 1st response to this post(repeating myself) I was not talking directly to you or at you, but some geniuses have flaws or close to geniuses I should say. Yes you may have a swap, good job, but 98% of us dont and reccomend it whole knocking the stock motors. But this is getting tireing, reply with what you want here Im done. By the way I had no issues with you before you replied back with what you though was a flamming on my part(which again was not) Later. |
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Oct 16, 2003 - 11:19 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 21, '03 From Endicott NY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I have read that the 4age can be boosted up to 10 psi on stock internals with no problem is that true?
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Oct 16, 2003 - 11:48 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
hahaha this is funny. I am doing the 5sfTe my self but either is a good way to go. You have to just remember you cant just throw it all on your car and call it a day. Any setup takes months of planing and researching before you should even pop the hood. The 3sgte is a beast and that is why it can hold more boost (it was built for it). The 5sfe can also hold boost well. The thing with the 5sfe is there is almost no room for error. You have to spend the money to properly tune the engine or detonation will kill your engine in no time. I think the 3sgte people should take a look at what it takes to turbo the 5sfe to gain some knowladge of the pros and cons. So they know more than "It never works" "The motor will blow". And in turn all of the 5sfte/7afTe people should do the same.
This site doesn't need its members at each others throuts because there is a difference in someones views. We are healping no one this way. If say I knew as much about the 3sgte swap as I do about the 5afTe and NEVERSTOP knew the same about the 5sfTe just think about how much more information we could provide. 1 thing I do believe is that you shouldn't knock it until you have tried it. 5sfeturbo, you have been reading and asking questions but you still have not turbo'ed your car right? Please atleast give NEVERSTOP the benifit of atempting one or the other. -Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Oct 17, 2003 - 12:15 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Nicely put and I have turboed N/A motors before... so I know the benifits of stock turboed motors and N/A's with turbos... granted I have not turboed a N/A Celica motor before but I can draw my own conclusions based on my personal experince.
Please just give it up man, If I sound like I have a "complex" to use your words it is because I have spent the majority of my life building cars the right way.. I honestly cant count the number of cars I have help build... so it irrates me when someone with *how long ago was it that the damn movie come out???* experince trying to tell me whats what... so stop. If you wanna turbo your car GO AHEAD just pay attention to what you are doing and make sure you have everything 1st.. do your homework... and 6months later or so I dont wanna hear a peep outta you when you mess up your motor cuz you rushed it and missed something. -------------------- 99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Oct 17, 2003 - 12:40 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Thanks....I hope you dont think I was tryng to say you didn't know or even put you down, I was just using that as an example. -Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Oct 17, 2003 - 11:58 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yea no prob bryan I knew what you ment
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Oct 17, 2003 - 1:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 29, '03 From Davenport, IA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
My personal opinion, if your goal is around 200HP why not just swap in a st185 since its power at the wheels is around that? Its easier, cheaper, and in the long run you car will last longer. I can understand if you have to pass certain emission laws and all depending where you are at, as in Cali. But honestly, turboing a N/A you are just destroying it. Thats like taking a 5year old child with ADD or ADHD and giving him a bottle of speed and a hit of ectasy! You are just killing it because the body wasn't ment for that kind of punishment. Not only that but most people have a engine with high miles on it as it is. Why spend several grand on a engine that is gonna die in a year or two anyways? (maybe a lil longer). When you can swap in a JDM st185 and get a better gain, more reliability, and cheaper? Also, for the problems with the swaps, the only problems with doing it is f0cking up on the wiring harness, as for that you are set. The A/C problem on the swaps has been figured out so that your A/C-Heater will work. So boys and girls, lets face it, it is more feasible to swap than turbo N/A engines. Its like feeding heroin to a baby! All and all, Turbo N/A=Blown Motor/waste of money............Swap=Cheaper/reliability
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Oct 17, 2003 - 7:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 9, '02 From Scranton, Pa Currently Offline Reputation: 7 (100%) |
theres a hole in a molded line, its just aged. not a boosting related problem...also to stop the turboing an n/a motor, check the sportivo corolla. factor boosted 7afe. the f serise head in the 7a takes the boost fine. as long as the fueling is correct and the intake charge in intercooled i feel there will not be any problems. This post has been edited by zipstrips: Oct 17, 2003 - 7:37 PM |
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Oct 17, 2003 - 11:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
NEVERSTOP
I am apologizing outright. I acted like a kid but i respect your knowledge on cars but you need to know I wasnt flamming you. I also learned alot from this site, and I feel properly doing the 5SFTE would be the best thing, reasons for not doing 3sgte..... I have an automatic-not a fan tranny swaps. Inspection in MD would be suicide The mechanics in would be "iffy at best" I need complete assurance Altered Atmosphere(fasttest VR-4 home) wants it for a month They wanna do a stand alone(how would Mike do my wires) I dissconnect every wire from both cars? I know the 3sgte could be a monster, but my location and tranny just stop me from it all. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Oct 17, 2003 - 11:52 PM |
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Oct 18, 2003 - 3:55 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_...04_toyturbo.htm http://www.antebellumcovers.com/CharlieCarPics/corolla7afte/ and i did wiegh out the pros and cons. spent 6 months saving money untill i decided what i really wanted to do. then spent another 8 months gathering parts and doing further research then took me 2 months(working only on the weekends) to fabricate everything i needed, test fit things, and check everything 4 times. to get everything installed. and that includes time it took to fix an EGR problem that the toyota dealer kept giving me the run around on suggesting various little parts that cost over $150. that brings me to the present. got a fully working car with a enough power for me(for a FWD daily driven car) and no problems other than the ones caused by my stupidity with routing the oil return line. any engine can be turboed and the only reason the CR comes into play is that the higer the CR, the more fuel you will have to pump in to prevent detonation. there are turboed civics and integras everywere, same with corollas with 7afe engines. and i have said that in the end an engine swap is needed for the best performance and lowest cost. but with my setup, i doubt i could get all the parts i would need for a tranny swap and a 3sgte front clip for the $1600 or so i have spent. and if i have to get a smog check, it takes me about 2 hours max to take ALL the parts out. for my car and my situation, Turbo was the move for me. This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Oct 18, 2003 - 4:16 AM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Oct 18, 2003 - 1:09 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Franklin/Nashville, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
rebuild and turbo the 7A kid...we all know the 7afe is a boost-happy motor. that one guy from celica.net (forget his name) boosted 12psi or somethin and nothin ever happened, and that was on a stock motor. also, for those that don't realize it, toyota produced a 7afte, it was just never here in the states, or in japan. so, if toyota turbo'ed it for a production car, it'll be just fine and handle the boost from a home-grown kit of 5psi+, as long as it's done w/ sufficient knowledge.
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Oct 18, 2003 - 1:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Other than the burien kits acsessories, and intercooler/pipping-T timer-SAFCII and boost controller...what else would classify my project as well though out. I mean am i missing anything to boost reliably. Maybee a tranny coolant, I dont know thats why Im here. 7psi should be adequate taking time.
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Oct 18, 2003 - 1:26 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Franklin/Nashville, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
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Oct 18, 2003 - 1:28 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Franklin/Nashville, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
what are you planning as far as fuel delivery? have you thought about upgrading the fuel pump or injectors? FYI, the MKiv supra NA inline6 fuel pump fits and plugs right into the celica's in-tank bracket/harness...that's the pump i'm using for my GZE. . the injectors should be fine, but you may think about upgrading them, but i would as least upgrade the pump. you can find a nice one from a junkyard for 40-60 bucks.
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Oct 18, 2003 - 1:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The kit has: What's Included The kit consists of the following... Toyomoto exhaust manifold Garrett TB0344 turbo Down pipe Intake pipe K&N filter Intermediate pipe(between the turbo and throttle body) HKS Racing Blow-off/Pop-off valve 4 360cc Toyota Injectors Oil pan Map Sensor All necessary hoses, clamps, nuts, bolts, fittings, studs, gaskets and such required to install the system. |
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