 ST215 Engine Swap, Harder than from an ST205 |
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 Oct 11, 2003 - 9:27 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%)  |
Would swaping in a ST215 3SGTE be any harder than Swapping in one from an ST205? If so do both engines have the same potential. I'd like to be making 300 to 400HP from it after all is said and done.
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Oct 11, 2003 - 9:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
price per HP you would be better off doing a 185 swap - more parts for it and you can order parts from local toyota dealer
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Oct 11, 2003 - 9:38 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
ST185 is the easiest swap - and when i say easy, I mean not really that easy. ST205 swap is difficult for the experienced, I dont even kno if ne body has done the 4th Gen 3SGTE swap simply because the motor is not all the old so its really expensive, and the wiring is 100x harder because cars get more electronic and more computerized every year.
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Oct 11, 2003 - 9:44 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Will the ST185 3SGTE be able to handle 300 to 400HP. I figured since the ones from the ST205 and ST215 had higher HP ratings that they'd be able to handle more. Maybe I'm a little confused but wouldn't it be easier to put one from the ST205 or ST215 into an ST202 since they are of the same years. Wasn't the ST185 the 5th Gen Celica All-Trac?
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Oct 11, 2003 - 9:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The blocks are basically identical.. the top ends are where the differences are between the engine gens. The 215 as far as I know has different motor mounts but is still a "s" series engine so maybe it would work - havent really looked into it. The 185 is the best option unless you have alot of cash to modify the 205. The 185 stock internals will hold around 400hp no prob, any higher though and you will have to bump up the internals. as for the same years... it really doesnt make that much difference - if it's JDM you will still have to lengthen the harness 185 or 205. the mounts are pretty much all the same between 165,185,205
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Oct 11, 2003 - 9:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Thanks for the help NEVERSTOP sounds like the 185 is the way to go. What kind of internals should I go with. Would the APEXi 2.2l Stroker kit and Metal head gasket be a good start or should I start somewhere else. Would the Stroker kit make that big of a difference or should I even bother. Also what's the highest HP output from a 3SGTE you've heard of?
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Oct 11, 2003 - 10:19 PM
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If you're going to get the stroker kit, the best time to put it in is while the engine is out of the car before your swap. Keep in mind that it's going to cost you a lot of money and it's not necessary to achieve 400 horsepower. As for power gains, I'm sure you'd gain a pretty good amount of power from the increased displacement and reduced rotating weight, and the components replaced would be much stronger. Oh yeah, I've seen a 3S-GTE in a JZA80 Supra producing over 800 horsepower. 
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Oct 11, 2003 - 10:20 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Davenport Iowa Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The HKS one would probably be one of the highest.. but not sure what it was off hand just know it was a BIG number... expecally from a 4 cylinder.
I wouldnt bother with a stroker kit or anything until you wanna go above 400 but you could do it if you want. -------------------- 99 project version 3.0.. hello SEMA 2010 =) |
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Oct 11, 2003 - 10:34 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Thanks guys. Sounds like you know what you're talkin bout. I would definately put the stroker kit in while it was out rather than pulling the engine to do it later. What I'm really looking for is potential in the engine so that I can run it at 400 and be able to add on later or crank up the boost. Now that you mention it I remember seeing the HKS one and yeah it was pretty powerful but I heard a rumor that it was actually a modified 5s block. Have you heard anything like that?
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Oct 11, 2003 - 10:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
The mechanical part of swapping is easy, its the electrical part which is th emost difficult.
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Oct 11, 2003 - 10:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 10, '03 From Wichita, KS Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Sounds good I shouldn't have a problem with it then as long as I can find some schematics. --------------------  Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete... |
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Oct 12, 2003 - 6:58 PM
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well when you find some schematics be sure to post a link
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Oct 12, 2003 - 7:13 PM
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Here is the pic of 720HP 3SGTE. Here are specs:
3SGTE 4 Cylinder 720HP @ 1.8 Bar and 8500 rpm's 2.2 Liter Garage Fukui SPL GReddy T88 34D Turbine Top Secret Dry Sump Oil System Race Head with HKS Metal Head Gasket 100mm Veilside Throttle Body 4 - 540cc Injectors in Main Rail 4 - 550cc Additional Injectors HKS F-CON V Pro ECU OS Giken Triple Plate Clutch Getrag 6 Speed TRD Rear End 
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Oct 15, 2003 - 4:26 PM
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Pike's Peak MR2 with the 3sgte had 900 some odd HP, insane. |
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Oct 15, 2003 - 4:58 PM
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edo, that motor was created by suprastore.com here is the link, they are selling it for like $23,500 SupraStore.com |
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Oct 15, 2003 - 6:49 PM
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When I get my car and do the swap, I was thinking about the JUN Stroker Kit. I've heard some good things about JUN and not really anything bad, so, they seem good.
From what I understand, the Stroker Kit allows you to turn up the boost TONS because of the extra displacement and strength of the components. HKS did a car that runs 9's, and that is equipped with a 3S-GTE. The power possibilities of this monster is unreal. |
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Oct 15, 2003 - 7:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 3, '02 From bonzaisushi@hotmail.com Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
no suprastore did not make that, top secret did, and they had it in there supra but since that didnt sell they are just selling the engine. the day suprastore builds a 3sgte like that is the day me **** turns purple and tastes liek rainbow sherbert |
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