ST205 Brakes on a ST, how ? who ? how much ? Options

[AnaXyd]

Fantastic! Exactly what I have been looking for! Need to upgrade the brakes for my future swap. Will this fit the european versions of AT200 too? (McPherson)

Could you show some pictures of where you did grind some off on the caliper?

[Culpable04]

the calipers are completely stock, no grinding is required with the rotors I used.

if you use ST205 rotors then you have to grind some, but I don't like this as this weakens the caliper bracket, and that's not something I can deal with.

[AnaXyd]

Same here, I dont like weak spots in my breaking system. It may end in total disaster..

So, you can supply the rotors which DONT needs to be grinded?

[Culpable04]

Same here, I dont like weak spots in my breaking system. It may end in total disaster..

So, you can supply the rotors which DONT needs to be grinded?

yes, I can supply rotors that will install with no modification, you will only have to thread your knuckle, if people want I can even supply the thread tap and the bolts, they are really cheap ( maybe ~ 30 dollars between taps and bolts grade 8 )

[Culpable04]

this is a picture of a ST205 stock rotor ( underneath ) and a 297 mm rotor ( top ) the different is not much, so there is not much suprface area lost when using 300 mm rotorsm the reason why we can't use anything bigger than 300 mm is not because of the balljoint like people though, but because the caliper mounted on the kknuckle doesn't have room for anything bigger.

[AnaXyd]

Have you tested that this works on the car, yet?

Okay, could you sell the calipers, rotors, thread tap and bolts? Like a kit?

That would be really awesome, if this fits my car. AT200 from Norway. Does it?

And: Do somebody know the original rotor size on AT200?

[Culpable04]

Have you tested that this works on the car, yet?

Okay, could you sell the calipers, rotors, thread tap and bolts? Like a kit?

That would be really awesome, if this fits my car. AT200 from Norway. Does it?

And: Do somebody know the original rotor size on AT200?

I'm waiting for my studs to get here so I can install the spacers and test it, I won't sell / accept any payments until I test this and have solid information to back up any claims.

my car is a AT200 as well, and this will fit on any mcpherson suspension 6gc.
I can't supply you with calipers, and I think you'll be able to find them easier in europe and cheaper too than what I pay for calipers here.

so get those and I can sell a conversion kit that includes rotors, thread tap, bolts, and spacers ( optional / depends on your wheel offset. )

[Fastbird]

You're not using that rotor in the pic are you? Those new holes that were drilled are horribly off center.

[_Jim_]

BWHAHAHAHAHAH HELL NO! This was in the beginning when he was going threw the "testing" phase. There was A LOT of research, money, and time put into this kit to make it as close to bolt on as possible, and he did an AMAZING job with it. It truly is "factory like" setup. If you can change your own brakes, you can install this kit. it TRULY is as simple as that.

[Culpable04]

You're not using that rotor in the pic are you? Those new holes that were drilled are horribly off center.

I have the other rotor that came along with that one, still here at home along with some others lol, if anyone is looking for single rotors I'm the guy to ask lol

that picture is just to show people the difference between 315 mm and 297 mm, the rotor in picture is a IS300 front rotor, the bolt pattern was not the same as the Celica so we made holes with a drill just to get it to slide on the studs so we could see if it'd fit or not.

[Rusty]

quite inerested in this
right so just make sure for now.
I can get my hands on these GT4 brakes (about US$500 front & rear calipers & rotors), I know that I will need your 297mm front rotors.

thread tap the knuckle, install the rotors and calipers (ST205 brake pads), new brake lines (will the flexible brake lines from a ST205 fit?)
here are the part numbers

47313A HOSE, FLEXIBLE, NO.1 (FOR FRONT)
90947-02765 ST205; RH
90947-02768 ST205; LH
90947-02845 ST205; RH
90947-02846 ST205; LH

47318F HOSE, FLEXIBLE (FOR REAR RH)
90947-02771 ST205
90947-02853 ST205

then bigger rims in my case

can you go over the rear brakes for me please, when you have the info

thanks

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jun 18, 2009 - 7:30 PM

[Culpable04]

any ST205 brake lines ( OEM / aftermarket ) will work perfectly.

I'll make a write up for the rears when I get my hands on the rear calipers, but so far I think is a bolt on thing, we just need spacers to make the caliper go back ( in ) a little, I remember there are a member who did this and those were his findings, so I'll verify that and make a clear long post for everyone.

[delusionz]

I'll be watching this thread closely too, I also can obtain ST205 brakes between $500 and $1000 NZD and was interested in applying them to our SS-III with superstrut for the missus so hopefully she keeps the front bumper in-tact

One thing I'm wondering is if I would be able to skimp out on the gt4's rear 2 pots and just move the ss-iii's front 2pots to the rear?

I'll also keep you guys posted about whether the GT4 brakes are a no modification upgrade to the SS-III being they both have identical factory 6-spoke wheels (16x7.5) and the same superstrut suspension (I'm not sure if they are identical since the gt4's suspension feels like it has stiffer oem springs).

Oh yeah, I recommend 17" wheels for this, the clearance (front & back) between the calipers and the inside of the factory wheels on the gt4 is about 6mm

[delusionz]

PS. The GT4's stopping power impresses me more than it's engine power, Thumbs up to anyone who endeavors to add this to their ride, I guarantee they will be impressed and find every dollar/second invested worth while.

[Fastbird]

I am finalizing a deal on a set of calipers right now for a deal -- $324 USD shipped from GB at the current exchange rate. God I love the internet at times.

Culp, here's a link that may interest you and will keep costs on the rotors down: CLICKY

I am actually going to be making this jig myself here shortly after I get the calipers in because I've found some rotors I want to experiment with myself.

This post has been edited by Fastbird: Jun 19, 2009 - 7:42 AM

[Culpable04]

I am finalizing a deal on a set of calipers right now for a deal -- $324 USD shipped from GB at the current exchange rate. God I love the internet at times.

Culp, here's a link that may interest you and will keep costs on the rotors down: CLICKY

I am actually going to be making this jig myself here shortly after I get the calipers in because I've found some rotors I want to experiment with myself.

to get the 5 x 100 bolt pattern done by proffesionals cost next to nothing, so no I won't be trying this especially on rotors that will go on someone else's car, That is a good techinque and I already did something like that on paper ( jim and joey may recall the fancy drawing in start pattern and the 2 circles )

[Fastbird]

I am finalizing a deal on a set of calipers right now for a deal -- $324 USD shipped from GB at the current exchange rate. God I love the internet at times.

Culp, here's a link that may interest you and will keep costs on the rotors down: CLICKY

I am actually going to be making this jig myself here shortly after I get the calipers in because I've found some rotors I want to experiment with myself.

to get the 5 x 100 bolt pattern done by proffesionals cost next to nothing, so no I won't be trying this especially on rotors that will go on someone else's car, That is a good techinque and I already did something like that on paper ( jim and joey may recall the fancy drawing in start pattern and the 2 circles )

How much is it costing you to have done and what place did you find to do it? By what place I mean what kind of place, machine shop, down the road brake shop, ect.

This post has been edited by Fastbird: Jun 19, 2009 - 8:30 AM

[Culpable04]

lol It's done by the same places that distribute the rotors.


what else do you need to know to make your project easier ?

[Fastbird]

lol It's done by the same places that distribute the rotors.


what else do you need to know to make your project easier ?

Dude, do you realize how bad your little "I've got a secret" demeanor comes across? Call it what you will but you're really being a prick. All I asked was what kind of shop was drilling the rotors, just a curiousity question. I have the equipment in my garage to do the modification myself, and already planned on it. You're just dodging any type of financial information because you're potentially making good money off of this. Yes, you've put time and effort into this, but blatantly saying that because of that you're not going to give any information is poor character.

I for one will NOT be buying the rotors off of you because (and I hope I'm not the only one here) if you're not giving any of the rotor information. How do we know what the quality is, the reputation of the company, the warranty of the rotors (heaven forbid one crack and an accident ensue, you yourself could be held liable as the distributor/vendor..........did you ever think of that????). I would MUCH rather spend my own time researching and money testing than deal with you on it. And when I find what works, I'm going to give that information back to the community instead of say "Hey, look at this, but it's a secret so you can pay me."

Oh, and I'm calling BS on what you told me about the 296 mm rotor I PM'd You about. The rotor you're hawking to everyone is 297mm, yet you told me that a 296mm rotor is "too short, the pads will stick out some" yet in previous PM's you said that anything from 296-300 will work. Your sale tactics leave a LOT to be desired. You have been trying to bully me into "just buying the rotors from you" as you so eloquently put it since I first sent you a message. That is extremely poor from a salemanship standpoint. This is coming from a guy who actually runs a vendor site/business, takes care of his customers, and also has directions on his personal site on how to build my own product DIY. If you give people a choice, you'll find a much better name for yourself, and you may find that you don't lose many sales because people would rather pay for your stuff than go through the sourcing of parts and production of the items.

Don't get me wrong man, I (as well as the rest of the community) appreciate the work and research you've done. but you're going about this the wrong way and frankly, your attitude sucks, and I KNOW I'm not the only one who feels that way.

This post has been edited by Fastbird: Jun 19, 2009 - 9:35 AM

[Fastbird]

*edit* I'm going to start my own post for professional courtesy so as I don't hijack Culps post any more than it has been.

This post has been edited by Fastbird: Jun 19, 2009 - 1:49 PM