beams clip, was the lsd standard on the SSIII, which one has LSD, see last post. Options

[BonzaiCelica]

hey njccmd2002 i think you are a little confused. there are 2 3sge beams clips on rpmgarage. Both clips are from 98 celicas and they both have helical lsd.

Also, how would you know if these clips came from an ss-II celica or ss-III celica?

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jul 6, 2009 - 5:06 PM

[Rusty]

read my previous post

[njccmd2002]

i talked to keith, and he quoted me that one is an ssIII, not that he knew but he typed the plate info. The problem is, no picture i cant really trust im getting ssiii, the black one is really an ssii by what rusty said.

[BonzaiCelica]

umm ya I understood. Both ss-II and ss-III celica's with beams have helical lsd and thats all that matters to me.

by the way, for an engine clip or any engine swap that has been sitting for a long time. Does the oil form some sort of rust on the internals of the engine??

[delusionz]

nah, oil should never rust.. had our st202 sitting in a shop for bout 5 n a half months, the oil was 20,000kms old and it still drove home, the tyres and battery didnt survive for very long though. got the oil changed right away to castrol magnatec and its running sweet.

[BonzaiCelica]

really cause on dr tweaks vert 6gc that he is building the 3s has rust on the inside where the cams are. so maybe you can explain that to me

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...64085&st=40

[delusionz]

Yeah, this engine has been sitting around for quite some time too, which I'm sure didn't help things. There's a wee bit of surface rust on the cams.

-Doc

[BonzaiCelica]

ya exactly that quote. but you still didnt answer my ?

[delusionz]

It had been sitting around for quite some time and I don't see how oil was the culprit. Anyhow, you wouldn't drop in a 2nd hand engine without taking it apart to clean it and install a new water pump, cambelt, accessory belts, etc would you?

That's only the valve cover he has off there, I'm sure if you're dropping in an engine its fair to assume you have a torque wrench?

What about the clutch too, you'd want a new clutch too right?

All I'm saying really is the surface rust is the least of your worries there, that will come off with CRC.

[njccmd2002]

RUSTY!!

which cluth fits the 3sge? where could i find one? in the us of course

[Rusty]

RUSTY!!

which cluth fits the 3sge? where could i find one? in the us of course

clutch(?)

what sort are you going for heavy duty, sports clutch? i dont really know what you guys have available to you in the US but. toyota, TRD & EXEDY

[jmeyer]

umm ya I understood. Both ss-II and ss-III celica's with beams have helical lsd and thats all that matters to me.

by the way, for an engine clip or any engine swap that has been sitting for a long time. Does the oil form some sort of rust on the internals of the engine??

Ever buy steel from a steel yard? Its coated in oil to prevent oxidation (rust) because it is difficult for moisture in the air to penetrate it. So to answer your question no it will not cause any damage to internals. Dr. tweaks engine must have had water get inside the valve cover to cause the rust.

[BonzaiCelica]

alright guys thanks for the answers, appreciate it

[BonzaiCelica]

That's weird.. S54-06D is Helical? Would that mean our 1996 SS-III is helical or not?

so no lsd from keith in one of his clips, he has two ill e-mail him. gott to wait...

hold up a sec. I think you have your information mixed up a bit. Rusty ???

if you look at the pic that njccmd2002 from the beams clip they sold (which i believe he just bought today). that came from an ss-II which is believable because ss-II and ss-III both came with beams engines. 06A is viscious and 06D is helical.



This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 11, 2013 - 9:35 PM

[Rusty]

I agree with you that the info just doesn't add up.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...mode=linearplus

THIS INFO MAYBE FALSE WILL LOOK INTO IT

about JDM version st202 :

Red-Top 3s-ge beams vvt-i have helical LSD gear-box S54-06D
both version in production from 1997 - 1999
SS-II(st202...no SSS) 3s-ge vvt-i
SS-III(st202 with SSS) 3s-ge vvt-i

about viscous LSD

SS-II (st202 no SSS) from 1995-1997 have viscous LSD + ABS
SS-III (st202 + SSS) 1995 - 1997 have viscous LSD


about UK and Europe version st202 :

all version with SSS from 1995- 1999 have visco LSD

helical LSD was only in JDM version st202 and MR2 SW20 (both 3s-gte and beams)

which I agreed didn't look right so I added... THIS INFO MAYBE FALSE WILL LOOK INTO IT

I agree the BEAMS SS-III ST202 has an LSD (Helica)
but as for the BEAMS SS-II ST202, sorry I cant find any TRUE info anywhere to back it up, to say it has an LSD (even though I said 'yes' I was going off that false info)

nope you have a viscous LSD in your SS-III pre-BEAMS. The BEAMS SS-II/SS-III have a helical LSD

(so if thats a SS-II with a BEAMS engine)


(mine a SS-II with 3gen 3S-GE engine)
the only differences between the 2 are: the frame number, colour and trim. sorry if you cant read it its night time here and my camera wont focus
anyway it says for the gearbox.... S54 - 06A

so according to that info from that 'quoted info' and your BEAMS website the BEAMS SS-II has a Helica LSD, no difference between mine(non BEAMS) and the SS-II BEAMS gearbox.. so what does that mean? the SS-II/ BEAMS SS-II doesn't have a Helica LSD so then maybe a viscous?

now I dont know how true this site is btw
1996 SS-II > http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/toyota...ca/1996_6/5740/ (says no LSD)
1999 SS-II BEAMS . http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/toyota...ca/1999_1/5722/ (says no LSD)

so.... WTF!!!????? im also now confused

maybe we need to break down the gearbox code (what each digit means)
S54-06A <<< found in a SS-II
S54-06D <<< found in a SS-III

also S54-02A <<< found in a USDM GT

since we know the USDM never had LSD so maybe something to do with the -06 so what about the A or the D ?



also what about the SS-III both SS-III and SS-III BEAMS have LSD but do they both have the same LSD? Helica/Viscous

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jul 17, 2009 - 2:22 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

Well all beams motors should have helical lsd no matter wat. Beams motors was put into ss-II and ss-III.

so Beams motor that came in ss-II celica don't have lsd but do have twin piston calipers and mcpherson suspension

beams motor that came in ss-III celica have helical lsd, twin piston calipers and superstrut suspension

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 11, 2013 - 9:49 PM

[Rusty]

lol good question, properly the same simularites as pre beams SS-II & SS-III (examples... superstrut, rear strutbrace, +10KG's, SS-III's LSD)...........but if the BEAMS SS-II has a helical LSD why has it still got the same code?

its really confusing is'nt it?


so njccmd2002 waiting on the BIG news if any?

[BonzaiCelica]

hey so If you buy a front clip. Does that mean you can do the rhd conversion as well??

[BonzaiCelica]

hey Rusty. i think you were right beams clip came with tranny code s54-06D. like here shown on ebay, they are selling a motor with the plate info

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-TOYOTA-...sQ5fAccessories

[Rusty]

thanks glad to be some help


hmm nice clip/engine & price, low km aswell, is that you? YES!! (i'd double check you get the gauge cluster or at least the rpm guage, as it just says engine harness (its used for VVTi) or else thats more money spent (FYI RPM garage usually have a few BEAMS guages)

its definitely a SS-III (last codes, remember ZF for SS-III. VF for SS-II) and S54-06D so you'll have a Helica LSD


yea still up in the air is whether the SS-II (gearbox code S54-06A) has a LSD(and if it does which type) and whether it changed between BEAMS and Pre-BEAMS

**the S54-06A is different to the S54-02A in GT's (I think)

hey so If you buy a front clip. Does that mean you can do the rhd conversion as well??

would be alot of work why would you want RHD? dont you drive on the rightside of the road over there?