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I am the new owner of a 95 celica gt hatchback, I just sold my truck and I have $2500 to spend on my celica. I want to buy a Turbo, what size should I put in, and would I have to bullet proof the block or is it strong enough as is.
Or maybe I should spend it on some custom graphics and a body kit w/wing? Or hell maybe even a system? I even thought about a 3s-gte engine swap but I dont think I want to go that far, or maybe I should. You guys are the experts, Tell me what you think. Thanks in advance for your help, -Brandon --------------------  |
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Oct 15, 2003 - 7:51 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
well if your going for a turbo a few people on here will be able to help you with that... you can get something real nice with that amonut just have to spend sometime looking....
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Oct 15, 2003 - 8:10 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '03 From Dandridge, Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
if I get the turbo would i have to bullet proof the block? or do anything else to it or my engine to help it withstand the extra boost?
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Oct 15, 2003 - 8:17 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
not if you run it at like 8 psi and IC will help... and injectors and a few other things....
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Oct 15, 2003 - 8:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
buy the 3sgte!
if you turbo the 5sfe and run low boost, it will work, but only for a short time. youll be lucky if you get a year out of the car. you could just buy the 3sgte and use its parts to turbo the 5sfe. then when the 5sfe blows, youll have the 3sgte waiting. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Oct 15, 2003 - 9:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From CT Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
good call, I like that idea cuz it would give you time to do work to the 3sgte before installing it |
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Oct 15, 2003 - 9:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 29, '03 From Davenport, IA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Get a 3sgte st185 or st205. Also with a 3sge tranny. That will give you in the range of 225-245hp at the crank. A front mount intercooler and custom exhaust will also be needed for the 3sgte to work. A top mount intercooler can work but a front mount intercooler is better. Although that is just my opinion. Running straight 3" exhaust from engine to tip is what I would recommend with no catbacks. Just straight piping or as straight as you can get it. Do not get a 3sgte from a MR2. Make sure that you get the engine from a GT-4
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Oct 15, 2003 - 9:26 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
If you are going by any of the people from celica.net and their I just threw $hit on my car and called it a turbo then yes you will blow your engine. Even nuke did it the easy way. Please dont through that "Just swap it" comment like you have ever attempted one or the other. -Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Oct 15, 2003 - 9:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you can run the 5sfe with less than 6 lbs very reliably, saying you would be lucky to get a year out of it is a bit arbitrary, I mean ****, you dont even know how many miles he has, or what condition the engine is in. you would be fine running boost on the 5s, but get an intercooler
for further information on turboing your 5s-fe please check the thread at the top of the engine performance forum now I am in no way putting down the 3s-gte swap, if you have enough money, go for it, but it will be initially more expensive than turboing your 5s-fe good luck in whatever you decide, and welcome to 6gc -------------------- [img]http://photos-081.facebook.com/n6/081/n15913038_30266081_3342.jpg[/img]
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Oct 15, 2003 - 10:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I love you man  Hes right, I love how all of you put down these engines talking about there gonna blow..lol..its pretty humerous infact. |
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Oct 15, 2003 - 10:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 9, '02 From San Diego, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
All depends where your priorities are. If you want to build up an insanely fast fwd car think about the 3sgte, I don't think 2500 will be enough when all said and done though.
If you want a nice boost go with the turbo, I personally think its cheaper and even if you do blow the engine learn from your mistakes and 5sfe engines arn't that difficult to come by and you can just reuse the turbo equipment, but if you feel your car is fast enough or you see no reason to go fast since if its your daily driver Think about other things like a new paint job (if your existing one is bad) wheels, interior make over or whatever else intrigues you. |
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Oct 16, 2003 - 12:04 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
so your in the process of doing a 5sfte? PM me when your engine dies  so far we dont have one case of a person who had any sucess with a turbo on a 5sfe. you mentioned nuke...well that guy probably has the most knowledge about doing the tubo install. from what i remeber, he blew his engine up 2 times and then decided to give up on the celica and just buy a turbo car. it dosnt seem to me like Redline_Racer will have any better luck then that. what i want to see is one person turbo a celica and have it running problem free for 50,000miles. then i will believe that a 5sfe can handle boost. now im shure your going to say that you can always build up the engine and maby get lower compression pistons,etc... to help the car deal with the added boost. that might all be true but youll probably end up spending more money then a 3sgte would cost you. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Oct 16, 2003 - 12:51 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Maryland Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Does anybody that swaps in the 3sgte plan on keeping it stock? Either way you look at it you are going to spend more and more money. There are tons of mr2 people with very reliable 5sfte and 5sgte set ups.
Timimg is the key to the 5sfte, Nuke will admit that was his problem too. Hell your car from what I can remember doesn't have 50,000 thousand miles nore does any 3sgte swap or 5sfte have ever. These things are new maybe 3 years old. -Bryan- -------------------- Member of Team 5sfTe
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Oct 16, 2003 - 1:43 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Minnesota, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No kidding man, seriously know your ****e before you go telling some could to act radically and just go out and get a 3sgte. Trust me, a 5sfte isn't going to blow if you run 6psi. You could run like 5 psi with no intercooler for a while even...but the safest way is to run like 7 or 8psi with a intercooler...every once in a while you could bump the boost to 10. I gotta do this to the whole "you will be lucky to get a year if you run low boost" comment... ROTFLMFAO Sorry man but you haven't read much about the whole turboing thing or the swap. You're just going along with all of the others that say "Just do a swap" like bwilson pointed out. NOW, back to the advice...personally if I had 2500 bucks...I'd talk to bwilson. He knows everything about turboing the 5sfe reliably. Then I'd shop around a bit and see if you could hook yourself up with all the necessary parts for cheap. It may take a while, but it's worth it...because then you could have some money left over possibly to put towards new tires, better clutch, upgraded suspension, etc. to make your car a much more sound machine. With my RX7, I started with upgrading the braking, suspension, and drivetrain before adding any serious power. I actually have run out of money for the time being to upgrade the power...but wow...just think about it...which would you rather have: A car that goes fast in a straight line or a car that can go pretty quick around any corner that comes its way? Wow, I get off track really easily, I'm kinda out of it tonight. Hey man, just do whatveer floats yer boat...just know that bwilson's guide on the Engine/Performance forum is the place to look on how to turbo your car. -------------------- 95 Toyota Celica GT
Dead for now --> Soon to have a 3S-GTE 02 WRX --> This is for speed - Borla Exhaust - TurboXS BOV - Custom CAI 02 Civic EX - MB Quart Reference 5.25" Components - Rockford MTX 8" Subs in the doors - Alpine Type S Rear Fills - 2x Alpine SWR-1042D Subs in a custom fiberglass box - Alpine F345 Amp for the front doors - Alpine M605 on each Type R - Phoenix Gold wiring - Alpine CDA-9855 Head Unit - Alpine Amp link - 2x Rockford Fosgate 1 Farad Caps - The best Viper 791 alarm install ever |
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Oct 16, 2003 - 9:12 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Philadelphia, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
wow...turn off your flames!!!!
jesus....i wish i could have an opinion on something. yes i have done a ton of reaserch. if you are going to tell me that it will work, and be probelm free, then show me some proof. show me one person who had their 5sfte for 2-3 years and is not loosing compression in their engine. i would like to refer you guys to this site . this guy really knows his **** and has documented all of the ups and downs of a 5sfe turbo. from what i remember this site will tell you how he had to rebuild the motor 2 times, tried lower compression pistons that didnt work...and after pouring all that money into his engine, he is still trying to work out the bugs and have the car running. in my OPINION and 3sgte is a better way to go because you will have less problems to work out, the engine will live to see 100,000+ miles and youll spend less money and have more power in the long run. -------------------- 15PSI - 30MPG - Megasquirt Tuned
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Oct 16, 2003 - 11:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 1, '03 From CT Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ive done a swap too, my old civic went from a sohc 1.6 to a gsr engine. And I believe that is easier than comming up with a custom turbo setup. The install is harder, but the install is the hard part of a swap and by far the easiest part of a turbo setup. The tuning you need to do take alot more knowlege than what you need to do a swap. Ive not heard of alot of luck with turbo 5sfe's however I havnt looked into it a whole lot cuz Ive got a little ol 7a, but considering what a swap intails Id go for it, my civic was down for a week total, but I had done alot of preperation. |
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Oct 16, 2003 - 11:32 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '03 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
3sgte all the way
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Oct 19, 2003 - 8:48 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 13, '03 From Dandridge, Tennessee Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hey sorry I havn't been on to reply on this topic.
Wow i didn't mean to spark and argument on this topic. lol. But I have some bad news I have decided to work on the body of my car before performance. I need to learn more about my celica before I go messing with my engine. I am going to get a erebuni 404 kit and an exhaust. Do any of you out there have a GReddy Evolution exhaust? how does it sound on your celica? Thanks in advance, -Brandon ps. sorry if I wasted some of you guys's time with the 3sgte/turbo thing -------------------- |
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Oct 19, 2003 - 9:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '03 From St. Louis Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the evoulution exhaust wasn't really meant for your car, I suppose you could have an evo. muffler, right now, your best optionwould be to have a custom exhaust, or if you can get your hands on a greddy sp
does anyone know where the sp2 is? oh and 5sfeturbo, your scaring me -------------------- [img]http://photos-081.facebook.com/n6/081/n15913038_30266081_3342.jpg[/img]
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