SS-III and gen6 GT, Wondering what parts can be swapped Options

[Detatch]

Ok, so I found a Celica SS-III here in Japan, where I’m stationed right now... i can pick it up for a grand. What parts off of it can be put on my 94GT when I get home? I know the wheels can be swapped, and the engine as well (though I’m putting a 3S-GTE engine in my GT back home), I’m not too sure about the breaks, hood will fit (my GT has a dent - BUT, I’m wanting the WRC hood eventually)..

ALSO: would ANY bolt ons I get for a 3rd revision 3S-GE fit on a 3rd revision 3S-GTE? because if so... I might get some of the "cheaper" of the bolt ons I have picked out for the GT and put them on the SS-III while I’m here (just a thought)...

Also needing a price list of what I would expect to make from selling any (and I mean ANY) parts off the SS-III stateside (or online)....

Any and all help much appreciated.


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[Mstoochn]

looks like the wrong place to post this if its a beams 3s-ge, its nothing like the 3s-gte

i gues u could throw the beams head on the GTE and swap all the turbo stuff to the new head, new IC piping tho

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Oct 17, 2009 - 4:03 PM

[SwissFerdi]

Give me a deal on the splitters and I'll show you that they can be swapped.

[Detatch]

The reason I ask, is because I'm getting an SS-III in December or January, and I'm hoping I can turbo the engine after changing the compression ratio with custom (forged) pistons and playing with the displacement... ESPECIALLY if it's BEAMS. My other thing was if I can use this engine out of the SS-III rather than the 3S-GTE, I wouldn't have to get an st205 front clip (though I would need to buy an intercooler separately). Either way, my main things are:

1) What parts can I use from the SS-III on my GT that I would otherwise have to buy later?
2) What bolt-ons can I put on the SS-III that I can later take off and put on the GT (with either a modified 3S-GE w/turbo or a 3rd revision 3S-GTE engine)?

Because IF I do that, I MIGHT have the engine portion and (or at LEAST) bolt-ons portion done on the GT and just need to simply put them in by the time I leave Japan and go home to the GT... Then all I'd have left is suspension and wheels, body work, and interior.

[trdproven]

it can work, just get all the turbo stuff for it and change the compression. everything else you can use too especially jdm goodies.

[Detatch]

IF the tranny has LSD, would it be strong enough to hold 500whp?

the engine itself would have more torque (bad thing), and there's no variable lift with the cam lobes.. in order to use this engine in my 94GT i would have to lower the compression ratio, disable VVT-i, throw in some adjustable cam gears, and still would have excessive torque (FF stick - too much torque = BAD), and still have little aftermarket parts available for the engine itself, as well as having to get custom made camshafts for more aggressive cams...... too much money and work to end up with the exact same engine with too much torque and worse gas milage...

i'll be sticking with the st205 3S-GTE engine for my GT, and supposedly if i get a 3S-GTE manifold, i should be able to turbo this engine fairly easily (as long as i don't go for too much pressure).... then use all the parts on the 3S-GTE later and sell the 3S-GE engine.

not to sure about the air sensor on the 3S-GE either, if it's MAF or MAP, but i know the 3S-GTE has MAP, which is a good thing for where i'm going with my project....

JDM goodies - i'm already planning on all the bolt-ons i get transferring over to the GT once it gets it's forged 3S-GTE in her, as well as the wheels (until i can get a good set of matte black 18" wheels), electronically folding mirrors, POSSIBLY transmission (if it'll hold up the power AND has LSD), seats (again, until i can get racing seats), maybe door pannels, and DEFINITELY the JDM tails (getting them smoked), and if it has projector headlights, i'll have those smoked and swapped too. anything else i should rip from this thing for my GT when i'm about to get shipped back stateside?

would the super-strut suspension be a good part to implant into the GT as well? just how adjustable is the super-strut suspension? would it be one of those temporary things i'd use until i can get this? http://www.octanemotorsports.com/p19672/94...oduct_info.html

This post has been edited by Detatch: Oct 18, 2009 - 8:51 AM

[freddy121389]

yea if you're going to disable vvti then theres no point in getting beams. I believe it all depends on what transmission you're talking about, if its the lsd e-153 i think i've heard of people holding 500whp safely on those but I could be wrong, mike will probably comment back in a day here saying if it can. Honestly if you're looking to mod a 3sgte id go to the mr2 website mr2oc.com and research, they would have more to tell you and have more help than here.

[Mstoochn]

yea if you're going to disable vvti then theres no point in getting beams. I believe it all depends on what transmission you're talking about, if its the lsd e-153 i think i've heard of people holding 500whp safely on those but I could be wrong, mike will probably comment back in a day here saying if it can. Honestly if you're looking to mod a 3sgte id go to the mr2 website mr2oc.com and research, they would have more to tell you and have more help than here.

there are mr2's holding 800whp on e153 lsd's with no (to my knowledge) work done
im sure a vvti turbo build is pausable!

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Oct 18, 2009 - 1:56 PM

[domyz]

for the e153
all is in the driver style, he'll have to shift slow, shifting fast is useless

the gears are strong enough but bearings will wear faster and you'll need dual or triple plate clutch system.
the viscous lsd is okay with some motul oil
the synchros don't have any link with power because they work only when the clutch pedal is pressed

[Detatch]

i don't know what transmission is in the SS-III, but if it's an E-153 LSD i'm DEFINITELY using it, as that's what my "alternative" that i've been planning to use is. i was planning on using a 93-95 MR2Turbo E-153 LSD tranny all along. i KNOW it can handle the power, it's my best bet thus far.

and what do you mean i'll "need" a double or triple plate clutch? i was planning an "EXEDY Stage 2 Cerametallic Clutch Kit" which SHOULD be suficient.. it's designed to hold for AWD performance applications, and with FF "too much power at once" is more likely going to spin the tires than slip a high performance clutch... it's designed to handle torque and i'm trying to get this thing set up with as little torque as possible while still reaching 500whp...

and what about synchros? this i don't understand from what you said.....

[Mstoochn]

i don't know what transmission is in the SS-III, but if it's an E-153 LSD i'm DEFINITELY using it, as that's what my "alternative" that i've been planning to use is. i was planning on using a 93-95 MR2Turbo E-153 LSD tranny all along. i KNOW it can handle the power, it's my best bet thus far.

and what do you mean i'll "need" a double or triple plate clutch? i was planning an "EXEDY Stage 2 Cerametallic Clutch Kit" which SHOULD be suficient.. it's designed to hold for AWD performance applications, and with FF "too much power at once" is more likely going to spin the tires than slip a high performance clutch... it's designed to handle torque and i'm trying to get this thing set up with as little torque as possible while still reaching 500whp...

and what about synchros? this i don't understand from what you said.....

No ST chassis ever came with an e153 bro. s54 or e56 is what will be in it.

[Detatch]

i don't know what transmission is in the SS-III, but if it's an E-153 LSD i'm DEFINITELY using it, as that's what my "alternative" that i've been planning to use is. i was planning on using a 93-95 MR2Turbo E-153 LSD tranny all along. i KNOW it can handle the power, it's my best bet thus far.

and what do you mean i'll "need" a double or triple plate clutch? i was planning an "EXEDY Stage 2 Cerametallic Clutch Kit" which SHOULD be suficient.. it's designed to hold for AWD performance applications, and with FF "too much power at once" is more likely going to spin the tires than slip a high performance clutch... it's designed to handle torque and i'm trying to get this thing set up with as little torque as possible while still reaching 500whp...

and what about synchros? this i don't understand from what you said.....

No ST chassis ever came with an e153 bro. s54 or e56 is what will be in it.

does the E-56 have LSD? i've heard there's ONE year (perhaps the last 3) that the SS-III offered (only celica to do so of the 6th gen) LSD.... i'm going to try to call that Ssgt tomarrow and ask to take a more thorough look at the car, it MIGHT be an SS-II but i'm almost positive it's a 95 SS-III (meaning 3rd rev NON-beams 3S-GE, non-LSD tranny)...