might keep my car so what upgrades next, How long does a gallon of meth last? Options

[mk7celica]

Be very careful if you think you are running out of fuel at 17psi. Do you have a wideband in the car? If not, before you continue to run at or above 17psi.....run over to the dyno and do a few pulls to check your AFR's If your AFR's are below 12:1 then you fuel is not your issue.

Yes I am not running at that high of boost right now because of that reason. I am suppose to make a appointment at a dyno this week and I will see what the afrs are. I am getting a lean code but I cant figure out why. Will order a afr right now, since I am going to need it anyway

[Mstoochn]

*tosses his GT3071R onto the table*

just becuz were alrdy off topic...

also, bigger turbo + ems is going to run u well over 2g's unless u buy junk, aem ems cost me 1500 (plug and play on USDM/JDM 94-99 ST-XXX, chassi), gt3071 just over 1000 new

and i can get u a set of 540cc gen3 injectors OEM off the dealer for 180$ shipped get rid of that ct20b before it causes you more problems than anything

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Sep 13, 2009 - 8:08 PM

[mk7celica]

*tosses his GT3071R onto the table*

just becuz were alrdy off topic...

also, bigger turbo + ems is going to run u well over 2g's unless u buy junk, aem ems cost me 1500 (plug and play on USDM/JDM 94-99 ST-XXX, chassi), gt3071 just over 1000 new

and i can get u a set of 540cc gen3 injectors OEM off the dealer for 180$ shipped

I got $3000 right now. so turbo $1000 $1500 ems injector/rails $500?=======$3000 hopefully by then I will have more saved to get tuned.


Also a ems a aem ems compared to a apexi power fc for a mr2 with wiring fixed Which is better. I see apexi power fc for $1000 pretty often

[Mstoochn]

I haven't had time to look @ apexi product but i like the idea of having multiple tuning modes at the touch of a button to re-map for track vs street use.
(Aem ems going into tomorrow morning) unless i hit a snag

I believe an s252 is a fair chunk cheaper than a gt3071 if u wana go that route, if it your looking for quicker spool (hinders your upgrading abilities in the future) gt2871, really just a steel ct20b, .6 ar over .63 of a gt3071 avoid some turbo lag without cam/gears

This post has been edited by Mstoochn: Sep 13, 2009 - 8:24 PM

[mk7celica]

I haven't had time to look @ apexi product but i like the idea of having multiple tuning modes at the touch of a button to re-map for track vs street use.
(Aem ems going into tomorrow morning) unless i hit a snag

I believe an s252 is a fair chunk cheaper than a gt3071 if u wana go that route, if it your looking for quicker spool (hinders your upgrading abilities in the future) gt2871, really just a steel ct20b, .6 ar over .63 of a gt3071 avoid some turbo lag without cam/gears

I am looking at a td06 20 g turbo from a mrsoc member. He made 390 hp at 20psi. I hear good things about these turbos and its in my price range and hp goals. What do you think

And also If I get the td06 I can get a ats rom tune ecu upgrade for the td06 so that will save me tuning and ems moneys. I would get the dual mode ecu upgrade also for race gas and regular. The turbo kit come with mani,adaptor turbo oil fedd drain lines. Any opinions on this

[hurley97]

So I read some of this stuff and I have some questions,
What was your reasoning for the walbro fuel pump without any other fuel mods (like injectors)?
How do you know your at the fuel systems limit without having an afr gauge? If it is just because you are getting a lean code that isn't a really good way to tell cause that could be caused by a few other things as well.

Also, I did see mention of using the AEM FIC and it seems you may have ruled that out already but I just wanted to add my opinion about it. I do have the FIC and it is good but its just basically a very good SAFC, only really has basic control of fuel and a few other useful things. If you are willing to spend like a grand on a piggyback or standalone system and you are going to more fuel mods along with the bigger turbo I'd suggest something better than the FIC.

And about the arguments going on here, Manny may come off like a big mean jerk sometimes but you have to understand what he is getting at. When there are inconsistencies in some of the information posted it seems very shady, there's no need to lie about anything, everyone is just here for good information. Lies just lead to bad info on the forums which is useless and deceiving to everyone.
I'm not saying you are a liar or not but I see inconsistencies also, like saying here that you didn't say anything condescending toward the 6gc community in general when you did say "Stay off my thread if you are a member on 6gc" along with a few other comments about the 6gc community in general. That is something I would take offense to, as well as you telling Manny to say off any other forums you are on because that's not right either.

[mk7celica]

So I read some of this stuff and I have some questions,
What was your reasoning for the walbro fuel pump without any other fuel mods (like injectors)?
How do you know your at the fuel systems limit without having an afr gauge? If it is just because you are getting a lean code that isn't a really good way to tell cause that could be caused by a few other things as well.

Also, I did see mention of using the AEM FIC and it seems you may have ruled that out already but I just wanted to add my opinion about it. I do have the FIC and it is good but its just basically a very good SAFC, only really has basic control of fuel and a few other useful things. If you are willing to spend like a grand on a piggyback or standalone system and you are going to more fuel mods along with the bigger turbo I'd suggest something better than the FIC.

And about the arguments going on here, Manny may come off like a big mean jerk sometimes but you have to understand what he is getting at. When there are inconsistencies in some of the information posted it seems very shady, there's no need to lie about anything, everyone is just here for good information. Lies just lead to bad info on the forums which is useless and deceiving to everyone.
I'm not saying you are a liar or not but I see inconsistencies also, like saying here that you didn't say anything condescending toward the 6gc community in general when you did say "Stay off my thread if you are a member on 6gc" along with a few other comments about the 6gc community in general. That is something I would take offense to, as well as you telling Manny to say off any other forums you are on because that's not right either.

Firts off I was very annoyed and it seemed like manny was doing to me by calling me a liar and other things. . Also it seems like people take manny's side thus thats why I said if your are a 6gc member dont post, Because I new they would be backing manny as usual and I would not get much posts about the thread topic. I have meet many good people on this site, but sometimes people clah and I guess thats the case with me and manny.


Now back to the thread, The walbro pump was installed because the shop said it was a good idea. Peopl say the gen 2 fuel limits are around 17lbs. Now I can hit 17lbs and I dont have a fcd hooked up. I hit fuel cut with a cel on at 18lbs thats why I have it at the highest 17lbs. But dont run there no more since I havee issues when I do. What I dont understand is I can go that high up in boost and not have a fcd. I am way below sea level maybe thats it.


Ok my thoughts for the upgrade for the time being. Get ats fuel rail and 550 injectors. and a apexi power fc for a mr2 have it repinned an raise the boost to 20lbs. Keep that setup for a while then save up more get the bigger turbo and cams to reach my 350+ hp power goals,

[mk7celica]

Does anyone know how to repin a apexi power fc from a sw20 mr2 to a st185 ? Wouldnt it be like repinnig a sard mr2 ecu to fit a celica?

Will pay someone to do it let me kow

[lagos]

Firts off I was very annoyed and it seemed like manny was doing to me by calling me a liar and other things. . Also it seems like people take manny's side thus thats why I said if your are a 6gc member dont post, Because I new they would be backing manny as usual and I would not get much posts about the thread topic. I have meet many good people on this site, but sometimes people clah and I guess thats the case with me and manny.

There is a golden rule on the internet regarding 1/4mile runs or dyno numbers. Don't claim them if you dont have a sheet or video to post. I ran an 11.2 last weekend in my car. It was a very cool night, and my car was just running great....wait what? You dont believe me? Oh well I lost my time slip when I was going so fast with the windows down on the run that broke me into the 10s. ..... See what im trying to say here? Its all BS without a time slip.

I personally cant understand how you went from 14-15s runs to a low 13, with only a handful of runs under your belt.

Peopl say the gen 2 fuel limits are around 17lbs.

You have a lot to learn my friend. The first thing I would say to keep in mind is to never base your cars fuel system limits on what "people say" and especially not based them on some random boost pressure number.

Now I can hit 17lbs and I dont have a fcd hooked up. I hit fuel cut with a cel on at 18lbs thats why I have it at the highest 17lbs. But dont run there no more since I havee issues when I do.

That's because you are about to blow your motor. Not being mean, just telling you that's what that hesitation is all about.

Does anyone know how to repin a apexi power fc from a sw20 mr2 to a st185 ? Wouldnt it be like repinnig a sard mr2 ecu to fit a celica?

Will pay someone to do it let me kow

I do and have done it before. How much are you willing to pay?

This post has been edited by lagos: Sep 14, 2009 - 12:43 AM

[mk7celica]

Firts off I was very annoyed and it seemed like manny was doing to me by calling me a liar and other things. . Also it seems like people take manny's side thus thats why I said if your are a 6gc member dont post, Because I new they would be backing manny as usual and I would not get much posts about the thread topic. I have meet many good people on this site, but sometimes people clah and I guess thats the case with me and manny.

There is a golden rule on the internet regarding 1/4mile runs or dyno numbers. Don't claim them if you dont have a sheet or video to post. I ran an 11.2 last weekend in my car. It was a very cool night, and my car was just running great....wait what? You dont believe me? Oh well I lost my time slip when I was going so fast with the windows down on the run that broke me into the 10s. ..... See what im trying to say here? Its all BS without a time slip.

I personally cant understand how you went from 14-15s runs to a low 13, with only a handful of runs under your belt.

Peopl say the gen 2 fuel limits are around 17lbs.

You have a lot to learn my friend. The first thing I would say to keep in mind is to never base your cars fuel system limits on what "people say" and especially not based them on some random boost pressure number.

Now I can hit 17lbs and I dont have a fcd hooked up. I hit fuel cut with a cel on at 18lbs thats why I have it at the highest 17lbs. But dont run there no more since I havee issues when I do.

That's because you are about to blow your motor. Not being mean, just telling you that's what that hesitation is all about.

Does anyone know how to repin a apexi power fc from a sw20 mr2 to a st185 ? Wouldnt it be like repinnig a sard mr2 ecu to fit a celica?

Will pay someone to do it let me kow

I do and have done it before. How much are you willing to pay?

Ran 14.1 on ct26 on stock boost 10lbs in 1st 2nd 3rd and 12lbs in 4th and 5th with tvis hooked up. That was old setup
new setup ct20b on 16-17lbs and small slicks why is that hard to believe

[mk7celica]

I just ordered a apexi power fc and hopfully I get it repined. So the upgrade starts with this.

[_Jim_]

Best move you could have made at this point.

One draw back to the PFC is that it has no Knock Control.....So make sure you have a very good tuner, that he is aware of this, and maybe think about hooking a J&S knock guard system on your car somewhere down the line.

[lagos]

Best move you could have made at this point.

One draw back to the PFC is that it has no Knock Control.....So make sure you have a very good tuner, that he is aware of this, and maybe think about hooking a J&S knock guard system on your car somewhere down the line.

It still logs knock and flashes your cel. It just doesnt try to retard your timing when it senses it. Really not a huge issue since the car needs to be tuned from the ground up anyway.

[domyz]

Anyway on ECUs with knock control, this is not precise because there is no compensation with knock threshold. So the knock control won't hear the noise in low RPM as you have set it for high RPM sound/knock.
The advantage with Power FC is that you can monitor knock live while daily driving, and it records the last peak.

Anyway, the max power ignition tuning isn't possible without a dyno. On a dyno, the peak power is obtained in timing advance much before knock is coming.

So if you get knock on a Power FC, with your advantage to monitorize knock, you have to retard back from 2-3 degrees the timing but max power is not really obtained.
Another big advantage, if your timing is set for 93 fuel, and the only fuel that is near is 91, you won't blow the engine. You can retard the whole ignition MAP in seconds with the commander.

[mk7celica]

Well I just found out that the apexi was for a gen 3. I called ats and asked if they do a rom tune for a ats td06 turbo kit for a st185 3sgte. They do so I just cancaled the order for the apexi fc. How well does the ats rom tune work. I have a ats td06 complete kit in the works. SoI am thinking ats td06 turbo kit 550cc injectors and get ats to rom tune my ecu Hoe does that sound

I am torn between the apexi fc because of the repinning or what not or getting the ats rom tune. I am definitly getting the ats td06 kit

[mk7celica]

Just ordered my water meth injection cooling mist setup. Cant wait til its on bthe car!!