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[njccmd2002]

My maf holder is 80mm outside diameter, so i had to go measure it now, im at work and the internal diameter is 72mm...



My car idles and purs like a kitten.

I have no trouble with my car..

there i retract my prior statement, i was wrong, outer 80 inner 72.....



This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Jul 14, 2011 - 11:15 PM

[BonzaiCelica]

no way. MR2 and Celica use different boxes.... I bought my beams celica from erahman. your intake piping that you gave me has an outter diameter is 76mm. but ya another confirmation just to prove you wrong is all we need hehe. ok I'll shutup now

[njccmd2002]

ok you posted while i was editing... there happy!

[njccmd2002]

it is 71 to 72 mm, you were right i was wrong....

this is my hks right now at work.

[celica-s]

nice project. i envy you guys, only if i have the heart to remove my reliable 7afe...... i could easily get 3sge Beams here for $1,100 and atleast $300 additional for the swap and rewire.

oh well maybe in a year or so, hehehe

[stephen_lee]

Buy a project celica like richee and I did.

[BonzaiCelica]

nice project. i envy you guys, only if i have the heart to remove my reliable 7afe...... i could easily get 3sge Beams here for $1,100 and atleast $300 additional for the swap and rewire.

oh well maybe in a year or so, hehehe

who said the 3sge beams wasn't reliable

[celica-s]

that's not what i meant,

if it ain't broke don't fix it thing, this is what i mean. hehehehe

[richee3]

The interior diameter of the intake pipe, as I understand it, needs to be about 71 mm. That's just what I read on the BEAMS Owners Group. My pipe matches that, but those nipples had to be blocked off so as not to disrupt the airflow. Either way, quick note to any future BEAMS swappers: Just get the factory intake and make your life easier from the start. But no worries, I've discovered that this isn't my problem with the motor not running right. Bonzai, those pictures that Noberto posted of the intake measurements are actually Erahman's pictures.

HERE'S THE PICTURE YOU WANTED

We're aware of the fuel issue, but that retards timing and kills power. It wouldn't cause it to run this poorly. I was hoping to have her fill it up with 93 before we pulled the 5S out but she forgot. No big deal.

Anyway, I digress. Intake issues aside, this motor still isn't running properly. I can get it to run well enough for a few minutes but either will not run when you give it gas but it'll idle just fine or else it won't idle at all and will die but it'll run beautifully when you give it gas. So basically it runs like crap, no matter what. I got it to run well enough for the girlfriend to drive it a few nights ago and now she's decided that she doesn't want the 5S back. But here are some basic facts that I need to share. A few weeks ago, I had a friend over here helping me work on the car. We pulled all 4 plugs out to see if I had any spark at all. The plug on cylinder 3 was covered in oil. We pulled the Cylinder 3 plug out of my Greytop, same story. So we chalked it up to be a fact about the motor, that there's just something about it that gets oil all over the plug, inside and outside the cylinder. However, since the very first time I got this motor to start, even when it was running well, I've been smelling burning oil. I replaced the plug in Cylinder 3 and a few nights ago, I pulled the plugs out again. Sure enough, my clean, oil-free plug had oil on it. And there's smoke coming from somewhere in the engine bay. Keep in mind that I bought this Redtop for $900 and intended to scrap it and use it for parts for the Greytop that I bought. I never expected it to be a great motor until I got it and saw that it actually had all the wiring, the entire fusebox, and a lot of extra stuff that the Ebay ad didn't mention. And now that it's in the car and (barely) running, I'm reminded that I bought a $900 parts motor and hoped it would work. So we're calling this one mechanical failure and we're on the search for another motor. We're currently discussing whether we're staying BEAMS, which we know forwards and backwards at this point, or if we're going to go all out and get the 3S-GTE. We both drove the BEAMS and both saw how much fun it is, but the power is all at the top end where you never rev. We both would prefer the powerband of the 3S-GTE, which has more power and has it at a lower RPM. Right now, it's six of one and half a dozen of the other for us. So this swap thread will continue, probably with another BEAMS swap, but for now everything is on hold until we get another motor. Then we're either keeping this BEAMS for parts for ourselves or else we'll be selling it for parts to somebody else who wants a BEAMS or who wants to rebuild this one.

celica-s, Do it. Definitely get the BEAMS. You won't regret it, especially not for that price. Just because my BEAMS swap hasn't gone as smooth as it could doesn't mean that it isn't an easy swap. As long as you're prepared and you don't get a Subaru ECU, it doesn't take very long to swap out and the power difference between a 7A and a 3S is immense. If it isn't broke, fix it 'til it is.

This post has been edited by richee3: Jul 16, 2011 - 1:09 PM

[JuMPiiN]

Damn youve had some bad luck man!

[njccmd2002]

i can pull the #3 plug out in mine to see. but i doubt there will be oil. Sad to see this happen. If you were able to get a set to rebuild the beams for cheap it would be great. also have you tried to measure compression.

Sometimes the oil might be there when they transport/store engines they put oil to prevent rust. May be a long shot.

Keep hanging in there..

Why not put the greytop long block in there and see...

I love the beams, i despise turbo. Even at full A/c the engine pulls hard. doing well...

Ill be out of the country for the next 12 days, but when i come back, you can come down and drive it. Or maybe you have already driven one..

[richee3]

My Greytop had the same issue. Oil on the spark plug on cylinder #3. So putting that long block in would be a moot point. I've gotten to feel this BEAMS at full power a few times. It wasn't mind blowing, but it was good fun. It's how the car should have been from the factory. I just don't understand why the smoke would be coming from the engine bay. If the motor is burning oil, it should be coming out of the exhaust. Then again, I don't have a gasket for the B pipe yet so I do have a slight exhaust leak, but some smoke should still come out of the exhaust rather than all of it from the engine bay. I don't understand why this motor doesn't have consistent problems, why it's shifting back and forth on how it runs. Either way, we're just going to get a new motor, one we can confirm is a good one, and be done with it.

[Batman722]

you're valve cover gasket is not tight or it's leaking.
it's just like the 3sgte valve cover gasket (there's a center gasket for the plugs), pop the cover off and make sure it's tight or replace it, hopefully problem solved.

pic and link

http://kbox.ca/catalog/index.php/cPath/39_...40c1a9b39f2a220



edit, pic and link

This post has been edited by Batman722: Jul 16, 2011 - 8:50 PM

[malecrod]

I second checking the valve gasket first. I had to tighten mine to stop the spark plug oil leak as well. Its possible that's all it is. Hang in there.

[richee3]

The same day Dustin posted that link, somebody else told me that the oil on the spark plug was probably just the valve cover gasket. I tightened it down and that seemed to help some, but not a lot. I ordered a new one yesterday. I'm about to clean the AFM and see where that gets me. The motor still seems to be bogging down under load and as far as the idle goes, it seems to be idling smooth enough, just not idling high enough. I can barely touch the gas and get it to idle just fine but as soon as I let off the gas, it seems to just drop out and die. Sometimes it can fix itself before it dies, but it usually just dies. I'm going to look into the O2 sensor in the exhaust and the AFM as probable suspects for bogging down, but I have absolutely no idea why it is idling so low. And no matter how I look at it, it's still burning oil. A lot of it. I don't see any smoke coming from under the hood or any in the exhaust, but I'm definitely having to add oil. I'm replacing the spark plugs as well just to see where that gets me.

[malecrod]

Sounds like a vacuum leak? I will double check all hoses for leak if u haven't already.

[richee3]

Will do. Thanks, Eli. I hadn't even considered that, I've been so busy pulling my hair out over everything else.

Batman knows his sh*t. I just replaced the spark plugs. Here's a few pictures of what I find when I pull the old ones out. Cylinders #2 and #3. 1 and 4 are fine.





Not a pretty sight. But sure enough, I just put fresh new plugs in the car, oil-free plugs, and cleaned the AFM. Idles a little better, but not much. However, it no longer bogs down and hesitates when I floor it. So the car is parked for now, awaiting the new valve cover gasket. Once I get that, I'll deal with this little baby exhaust leak that I have somewhere and the swap will be finished. Assuming I don't still have problems, and I'm praying I don't.

[bloodMoney]

Fantastic. I'm glad things are starting to come together for her

[richee3]

I'm still waiting on the valve cover gasket to come in for the BEAMS, but in the meantime I started dropping the 5S in my gray car. By no means will it be drivable for a while since I'm still in dire need of front wheel bearings, a passenger axle carrier bearing bracket, and a few other little things, but at least the hard part of the work will be out of the way. pulled the car into the garage last night at about 5 and by 7, the motor was sitting in the bay. I'm astonished with how fast it went, considering all the trouble the BEAMS gave us. I'm heading back outside to finish the hoses and plugging everything in, and hopefully I'll have it started by noon.

[stephen_lee]

good luck man!