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[richee3]

can't wait to see that red gem in your ride next spring

It'll be there fore sure! I can't wait to hear your 3S again.

well you never stop learning, I'd also be interested in finding out the movement points over a rev range, and see how much of the 43degree it actually uses, or the use of the camcom (vvt controller)


nice to see you got the airbox lid sorted and fits your bottom half


as for the SS-III twin pot brakes, they should swap over, I had a feeling the SS-II and SS-III twin pot brakes had slighly different part numbers, but they're the same (unless they've changed stuff on toyodiy?)

I'm curious as well. I haven't found whether the 43 degrees is split half and half, or if it retards/advances the timing more. I thought the SS-III had different brakes as well, so that's good information. Thanks Rusty I may not end up using the brakes. If I do, it won't be any time soon. We probably aren't getting rid of the 15" rims for a while, and I'm fairly certain that we'll need 16" or 17" wheels to clear the calipers. I'm curious to see if any USDM brake pads can fit the SS-III calipers. So much research to do...

[richee3]

Slight update about the factory airbox. First, the important bit. It leaned out my AFR's quite well.

Unfortunately, it leaned it out too much. If you remember, my bogging was caused by lean conditions. As you can imagine, the bogging is now worse. However, on the plus side, my exhaust smells way better.

Now for some updated AFR's:

Idle: At startup, it's invariably 14.7-14.8. After it warms up, it's 15.5-16.3.

Cruising: 13.6, but it does occasionally jump to around 15 for a short time.

WOT: Below 3,200 rpm, it's the same as before. I floor it, the AFR jumps to 15 and leans out until it bogs. After that, it's a very consistent 12.1.

At low RPM's in low gears, it feels like throttle response is improved. However, power is slightly down. As I said, it bogs easier and more often. I'm tempted to put the SARD back on. But as a few know, it doesn't really matter which intake is on the car right now.

[Rusty]

43 degrees would be the total movement (so advance and retard) I think you would run into valve hitting valves if it was 43 degree per side

A camcom is bascially a piggyback controller for the camshaft's VVT/V-TECH, and allow's the user to make adjustments (advance/retard the camshaft in our case) to the camshaft/s, it also can adjust the A/F ratio aswell.




Going to add this info & other info I have to the 3S-GE discussion thread later on this week, so not to take over you project thread


the brakes, they're pretty much the same size you have now, so your 15" wheels will fit. But instead of having 1 big piston, you'll have 2 medium pistons in you calipers. Brake pads, I think the MR2 turbo can be used if they're not already the same

[ricochet1490]

that is beautiful....

[stephen_lee]

Strange your cruising AFR is still wayy too rich. I mean thats good for WOT but too rich for part throttle cruising, as it'll hurt MPG

[richee3]

Mpg is down to the low 20's. My IS is getting better gas mileage. This poor ECU probably doesn't have any idea what to do with all of the mixed signals it's getting.

Rusty- you aren't taking over my thread by any means! I'm grateful to have the information posted here. I just didn't know if the 43 degrees was split 50/50, as in 21.5 degrees advance and 21.5 degrees retarded, or if it will (just making numbers up) advance the timing 25 degrees but only retard the timing 18 degrees for a total of 43 degrees of rotation. I've read that with a camcon, you'll get a few good days but the BEAMS ECU is too clever and eventually starts compensating for what the camcon is doing. It's a constant case of resetting the ECU, as I understand it. I'll find the thread I got that from and post it up here later. As for the brakes, I thought they were bigger than the GT brakes, but smaller than the GT4 brakes. It probably wouldn't be much of an upgrade then, if the brakes themselves aren't much bigger. I would have more even pad pressure, but not a large percentage more stopping power? I really haven't decided whether I'm keeping them or not.

[Rusty]

Ahh right got you now on the split

I've heard a little bit about that with the camcom, but its always seems to be that someone has heard it from someone/somewhere else, so no clear opinion. Also you don't know how good the install/tuning was.

yup about the brakes, if both brakes were rebuilt and then you tested them, I doubt you'd see an enormous difference. (S8S8 said don't feel any different on the street, after installing his twin pot brakes)

[richee3]

Ahh right got you now on the split

I've heard a little bit about that with the camcom, but its always seems to be that someone has heard it from someone/somewhere else, so no clear opinion. Also you don't know how good the install/tuning was.

yup about the brakes, if both brakes were rebuilt and then you tested them, I doubt you'd see an enormous difference. (S8S8 said don't feel any different on the street, after installing his twin pot brakes)

Yeah, sorry about that. I was posting that from my iPhone, which I find incredibly annoying so I was trying to type as little as possible. In doing so, I explained what I meant very poorly. I've still got to find the time to research the BEAMS' VVT-i. I'm dying to know if it goes back to base timing about 6k and how the 43° is split. If nothing else, after I get the new BEAMS in, I'll do some tests myself. I can see where after a certain RPM, the engine is moving too quickly for changed valve timing to be efficient anymore, but I can also see how it would just continue to change the timing more radically. Research, research, research.

You hit the nail on the head for why I haven't posted up my sources for 3S-GE camcons. The threads I read are just what you said, "I've heard this" and "My cousin's brother's uncle's car that." The only concrete, definitive piece of information I found yesterday was one guy said his 2000 Celica GT-S's ECU was too clever and started to adjust itself to compensate for the camcon, and he thought the BEAMS ECU might do the same. Still no solid useful information. So the worst I can do is pick up a camcon, it doesn't work very long, and I resell it. Or I keep resetting the ECU. Either way, somebody has to find out for sure.

I can't say I know a lot about brake upgrades for the Celica, but I know Supra TT calipers can be fitted on my IS 300. As far as an "upgrade," all it really does is give longer braking life on a track or just change pedal feel in daily driving. It's kind of a useless mod. I'm starting to think this will be the same thing. Without increased brake pad surface area, it probably won't be much of an upgrade until I hit the track. We never track drive the car and we're still on stock suspension, so "upgrading" the brakes to SS-III twin pot calipers is definitely low priority, knowing what you've told me. Plus getting brake pads could be a nightmare unless the MR2 turbo pads work. I'll probably set brakes off to the side unless I get a good offer on them, and maybe one day I'll put them on. Really, it's Brigette's car and her decision. I'll put them on if or when she tells me to.

[richee3]

how many beams does it take to make richee's car move?

Three



Updates coming later.

[SupraKid]

yayyyyyy more jdms

[stephen_lee]

tease.


its like a girl lifting her skirt just a little. lol

[Stambo]

really richee 3??? what are you doing with the other two

[richee3]

The Greytop is claimed, the Redtop will sit in my garage for parts. I'll sell certain bits and pieces but it's a parts motor now.

Unloading the new BEAMS from the truck right now. Pictures of my new score to follow.

[richee3]

Threads and updates are so useless without pictures... So I will oblige.

Important bits first: General overview, because it's stereotypically the first picture.



I got the right ECU this time! SCORE!


Very important stuff here: How is my wiring for cylinder 3? F***in' awesome, that's how it is.


Spare factory intake, soon to find a new home.



Wiring doesn't look the greatest... It's all intact, with some extra grounds for some reason.


Yeah, this is DEFINITELY going on the car. JDM translations? Yes please.


All the extras I got- subframe, steering, sway bar, meatier SS-III axles, complete shift cables, rear mount, Superstruts, etc.


KYB struts and 5Zigen springs.



Twin pot brakes.


Looks like I'm in for another valve cover gasket. Note to future BEAMS swappers, go ahead and order one of these before you even buy your motor. It's $50 and shipping takes forever. I'm 3 for 3 on bad valve cover gaskets for my BEAMS.


Inside the valve cover.


JDM seatbelts!


JDM trash!


I'm astonished with how complete this swap is, right down to the complete uncut shift cables. That being said, I'm also astonished with how 99% of my $900 BEAMS was in better condition. The wiring harness, though snipped in a couple of places, looked much newer. The throttle body looks like it has some oil in it, and this motor has definitely been sitting for a while. Fluids were left in it though, so at least there's no rust inside the oil pan. Separation of the motor from the subframe and wiring work will start tomorrow, but don't expect much progress. I'm working 12 hour shifts at the moment an hour from my house, so I'm losing 14 hours a day to work. However, Sunday, the swap begins.

[Batman722]

that roxorz !

pop an axle out and take a look inside the tranny and see if it has lsd !

[ricochet1490]

is has to have lsd.... is just has to. I'm willing it to! But in all seriousness, SS with twin pot brakes tells me ssIII - which should be lsd. I think

[richee3]

I'm fairly certain it's LSD. Only one way to find out, and that's to... wait until tomorrow, when I feel like doing something with it again. Twin pots came on the SS-II as well, and so did the BEAMS. Which confuses the hell out of me, because what's the difference between an SS-II and an SS-III if they both have a BEAMS, Superstruts, and twin pot brakes? Eh, I've got my ST204, which is better than an ST202. Toyota took the ST202 and added 2 to it, which makes it better. So ha, take that Japan!

I really need sleep.

[SwissFerdi]

I remember vaguely discussing the BEAMS with you several times, very interesting that you're now on your third.

Here's to hoping the third time is, indeed, teh charm.

[bloodMoney]

I really need sleep.

Yes you do. I'm only working a half day tomorrow, so text me with updates!

[enderswift]

wow! that is one nice looking engine set. Will it be ready in time for a spring meet??