WTB: 3s or BEAMs, lol just curious whats out there. Options

[njccmd2002]

if you going beams, please, please read my signature.

meaning, get a complete engine

[Ted95]

I actually emailed that guy and he told me he'd take 1200 for it. I think im honestly going to go BEAMs. I dont have big power goals honestly and im looking to do it myself. Thanks for your offer Jim but i think imma go BEAMs just to be different and one of the few who has one. Like i said im not looking for power. Plus i honestly dont think i have the money to maintain a 3s or even swap it in. Bc what if my tranny does give then im SOL lol.

well if you go beams expect to have a loudd asss car lol, stefs and dustins beams (hurley97 and batmann772) is pretttty loud bc its a N/A motor. but ya make sure the guy has EVERYTHING you need for the swap. goodluck my dude.

[JuMPiiN]

Appreciate it, He says he has everything. What all do i exactly need just to make sure he has everything ? And do i just use my 5s transmission axles or do i have to by new ones for this LSD transmission ? Also i just read your write up hurley and batman, you said it was pretty simple about how much did it cost to install, if u dont mind me asking, including belts, pumps, ext. And for the badass exhaust ?

This post has been edited by JuMPiiN: Apr 20, 2010 - 9:09 AM

[Ted95]

Appreciate it, He says he has everything. What all do i exactly need just to make sure he has everything ? And do i just use my 5s transmission axles or do i have to by new ones for this LSD transmission ? Also i just read your write up hurley and batman, you said it was pretty simple about how much did it cost to install, if u dont mind me asking, including belts, pumps, ext. And for the badass exhaust ?

they did it themselves at mannys (presure2) garage, manny helped out with the swap as well. anddd i dont have the answers for the axels but i think u need new ones, dont quote me on that lol.

This post has been edited by Ted95: Apr 20, 2010 - 1:46 PM

[_Jim_]

GL with the Beams Jumpin, let us know how it goes.

And for the Beams fans...maybe I was a bit harsh saying waste of money. I should have said over priced. I would consider the beams swap a "nice" swap for someone in this situation who blew up there 5sfe and needs to pull the motor anyways, but not for 1700 shipped to his door. A new low mileage 5s will run you about $600.....so if the beams swap was say $800, then hell why not.

But let me ask you beams fans this (and njccmd2002, dont back out the 3sgte vs beams debates, there is no need for that)...

The way I see it is, the person who wants to swap to a beams, more then likely (but not always) blew up there 5s, and there mentality is since they need to pull the motor anyway, why not just throw in something with a bit more power, right? Well that makes sense to me, but the money they are spending on a Beams swap...they can get a 98+ 5s motor (which is a GREAT motor by the way, ESPECIALLY if you plan of ever boosting down the road), and a set of performance cams for the 98+ 5s motor....which will give them the kick in power they are looking for, TRULY be a drop in swap, no wiring needed, AND they can still pass emissions....and STILL be under the cost of Beams swap.

So the question is this...Why spend the money, and the aggravation on a Beams swap (aggravation meaning wiring, transmission, axles, JDM motor not having everything required for the swap. and emissions), when you can get basically the same thing with a cammed 98+ 5sfe, and you dont have to worry about ANYTHING, including emissions?

[samir0189]

GL with the Beams Jumpin, let us know how it goes.

And for the Beams fans...maybe I was a bit harsh saying waste of money. I should have said over priced. I would consider the beams swap a "nice" swap for someone in this situation who blew up there 5sfe and needs to pull the motor anyways, but not for 1700 shipped to his door. A new low mileage 5s will run you about $600.....so if the beams swap was say $800, then hell why not.

But let me ask you beams fans this (and njccmd2002, dont back out the 3sgte vs beams debates, there is no need for that)...

The way I see it is, the person who wants to swap to a beams, more then likely (but not always) blew up there 5s, and there mentality is since they need to pull the motor anyway, why not just throw in something with a bit more power, right? Well that makes sense to me, but the money they are spending on a Beams swap...they can get a 98+ 5s motor (which is a GREAT motor by the way, ESPECIALLY if you plan of ever boosting down the road), and a set of performance cams for the 98+ 5s motor....which will give them the kick in power they are looking for, TRULY be a drop in swap, no wiring needed, AND they can still pass emissions....and STILL be under the cost of Beams swap.

So the question is this...Why spend the money, and the aggravation on a Beams swap (aggravation meaning wiring, transmission, axles, JDM motor not having everything required for the swap. and emissions), when you can get basically the same thing with a cammed 98+ 5sfe, and you dont have to worry about ANYTHING, including emissions?

rarity, 1st vvti motor, etc. people will do what they wanna do...... no need for everyone to argue about whats best, or whats the best value, or who is right or who is wrong, these are all feasible S engine swaps. I think the reason njccmd backed out is cause it is useless arguing on something that is just a preference, there need not be a reason for why people swap what, they can do what they want with their car and their money.

I mean no offense to anyone, i just see this as pointless myself.

[Nartanian]

Truth. He did ask for advice though, so advice was given. 3S is the way to go if you plan on making 300+ whp in the future. I don't think 300 whp is an insane amount of power. It' also depends on what dyno is being used.

This post has been edited by Nartanian: Apr 20, 2010 - 3:07 PM

[samir0189]

Truth. He did ask for advice though, so advice was given. 3S is the way to go if you plan on making 300+ whp in the future. I don't think 300 whp is an insane amount of power. It' also depends on what dyno is being used.

i guess...... Anyway......... I'm outta this thread. Good luck to OP.

This post has been edited by samir0189: Apr 20, 2010 - 3:16 PM

[JuMPiiN]

Wait.... so Jim your saying i could honestly just get another 5s for about 600 bux and turbo it and make the power im looking for and keep my axles and EVERYHTING else with no headaches bc im NOT looking for any headaches at all.

[hurley97]

Appreciate it, He says he has everything. What all do i exactly need just to make sure he has everything ? And do i just use my 5s transmission axles or do i have to by new ones for this LSD transmission ? Also i just read your write up hurley and batman, you said it was pretty simple about how much did it cost to install, if u dont mind me asking, including belts, pumps, ext. And for the badass exhaust ?

You can just use your GT axles, thats what we have in our Beams.
Like ted95 said, we did it ourselves in a friends garage. The exhaust we bought our own muffler and resonator and some piping and had manny put it all together. As far as parts go, I'll have to look up what it all cost.

[njccmd2002]

But let me ask you beams fans this (and njccmd2002, dont back out the 3sgte vs beams debates, there is no need for that)...

Well Jim since you pointed me out, and i decided previously to retract and you brought me back, now its my turn to rant.

Getting pretty tired of your attitude.

it seems like you are a 3SGTE supporter, im supposed to be a Beams fan. Gotta a problem?

You sell 3sgte, i dont sell beams.

Everytime a beams post comes in, and I support people, to go ahead you come in to sell your engines.

Numero Uno: There is a for sale section.

Numero Dos: Leave me out of your discussions.

Numero Tres: No matter if you are wrong or right, I really dont care anymore. The customer is always right. If you are sellling, then you are not a customer.

If people want beams, let them have beams. Want to sell engines, start a thread.

To the OP, and moderators, sincere apology, no need to close the thread, it just makes me ill that JIM comes in and bashes me and with intent to sell.

Yeah, hes been long timer and great supporter, i respect that. I dont know anything about cars, and to those who know me, well you probably have figured out what i do.

To JIm, sorry dude, but you should have kept me out of it. In your words you just said that i bought a worthless engine.

No dude, i bought what I wanted. Its all about preference, and not boost. Im not a fan, but an enthusiast. I do not sit with the crowds and cheer. I did it myself. Yeah, like you said a worthless accomplishment.

The 3SGTE IS A GREAT ENGINE, no need to force feed it to people.

Im out of here.

Respectfully,

me.

[_Jim_]

Wait.... so Jim your saying i could honestly just get another 5s for about 600 bux and turbo it and make the power im looking for and keep my axles and EVERYHTING else with no headaches bc im NOT looking for any headaches at all.

Yes, that is another option. You can absolutely do that.

[JuMPiiN]

Wait.... so Jim your saying i could honestly just get another 5s for about 600 bux and turbo it and make the power im looking for and keep my axles and EVERYHTING else with no headaches bc im NOT looking for any headaches at all.

Yes, that is another option. You can absolutely do that.

if that's the case I'm going to do this I get the hp I desire and get a bov, which I miss and love, and I get no headaches sounds like a win to me

[_Jim_]

njccmd2002, there is no attitude on my end, nor is there a reason to close this thread.

Yes, I know there is a for sale section, in fact we are IN IT, so yes I am very aware. I do not care what engine anyone puts in there car, I am glad that you are happy with your choice of engine. That is the name of the game, to spend your money on what you want.

I dont ever put YOU down. I would never do that, I dont even know you. When the topic comes up of "which engine should I get..a beams or a 3sgte" you shouldnt take a personal offense when I say IMO dont bother with the beams. It is not an attack on YOU because you own a beams, why would you think that?

I have only broght your name up in this thread because I saw that you had said you werent going to post anymore about beams vs 3sgte's...and I didnt want that. At that point I knew I had offended you, and I had no means of doing so, which I said you shouldnt stop posting. You took it the wrong way as I was "calling you out on something." This was not the case.

Yes I sell engines, and most them are sold via PM's...not the FS section. I only bring it to his attention that I sell GEN3 3sgte's because he had a WTB...seemed like the write place to post it. If it seems as tho I am constantly calling you out about the beams (which i am not, and would never do) you reply to as many beams post or beams/3sgte post as I do. So a lot of the time we are in the same post talking about two different engines, with two very different opinions. Again, dont take my feelings towards the beams as an attack towards you, it is not. Just the same as if you had negative things to say about the GEN3 3sgte, or LSD E153, or turbo kit I run, etc....I would not take it as a personal attack towards me. A wise man once told me...."opinions are like asshole's, everyone has one and they all stink." LOLOLOL, so true.

No hard feelings bud.

[JuMPiiN]

Anyone reccommend and place to order a good condition 5s from ? And Jim if you havnt parted your kit in a few months and still have i plan to buy it or maybe i can PM you and try to source the parts i need.

Also i want to thank EVERYONE for there input in this thread. It helped alot more than what you may think so thank you for your comments and advice but the turbo'd 5s sounds basically perfect to me.

[_Jim_]

Anyone reccommend and place to order a good condition 5s from ? And Jim if you havnt parted your kit in a few months and still have i plan to buy it or maybe i can PM you and try to source the parts i need.

Also i want to thank EVERYONE for there input in this thread. It helped alot more than what you may think so thank you for your comments and advice but the turbo'd 5s sounds basically perfect to me.

Awesome man, I glad you got what you needed out of this. This is the whole point. As for the 5s, call around your local junkyards. You want one from a 98+. It is just a better motor.

[hurley97]

If you were concerned about boost before, probably not that great of an idea to do a 5sfte. Its a lot more high maintenance than a factory motor, either one you go with. Just my $0.02 .

I didn't really go through a lot of the arguments or be biased to one motor or the other but just tried to answer some questions and clear up some info. The Beams swap is really not aggravation, actually its kind of an easier swap than the 3S. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has been very involved in both swaps. There is actually less wiring, it comes with an LSD tranny and your 5S axles fit perfectly. You just need to make sure your motor set is complete (i.e. includes ecu, afm, air box, etc) as with any swap. And its really not that expensive of a swap either.

As for the 3S, there is a lot more expansion room to make a lot more hp. The wiring is a little more involved, its a lot easier if you have the relay boxes and everything that most motor sets don't come with. You can use your GT tranny, non-lsd, but you do get a lot more use out putting in an e153 but then you need to worry about the axle situation.

In terms of emissions and state inspections, they are both illegal and neither meet any US specs.

[JuMPiiN]

Ha well luckily for me in my state there really isn't any emmissions from what I've read on the Internet, honestly the only thing I'm concerned about is matenince ( so for mispelling bc of iPhone) anyways I'm concerned with that and the expense of the swap I have about 3K right now so basically the 3s is out of the question. I can do another 5s but have like what 100hp maybe, or I could do the Beams which I think looks awsome and sounds mean as hell, ad come with a LSD tranny, and I can use my axles which are brand new, only problem I would have is wiring bc I don't want to cut a wrong wire or hook it up wrong and no one who has done swaps lives anywhere close to me lol.

[njccmd2002]

believe me, the wiring part is easy.

[JuMPiiN]

I just want to know exactly how much it would cost to swap it in myself. Including new belts and such where as taking it to a shop charging like 600 or more to do it. i think i could do it in a weeks time. If its in my price range im down to be the next BEAMs owner i like it because its different and looks sick.