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 Nov 24, 2003 - 2:38 AM
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After reading the big topic on celica.net Im almost convinced on the supercharged 5s. "Go with the 3s blah blah blah". NO, anywho the rippmods sounds pretty awesome. Unlike the fabled 3s.. you get all NEW parts and direct plug and play. So if your even contemplating the do a swap reply, in your upper left hand hand corner of your screen is a "Back" button go ahead an press it. SC 5sfe at 190whp out of a box is pretty awesome.
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Nov 24, 2003 - 2:38 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
KABOOM! theres your motor with rippmods
stick with the 3s -------------------- i am awesome
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Nov 24, 2003 - 2:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hahaha.
So ALL thise kids turbocharging or supercharging their STOCK integras,civics,camrys,preludes probes etc etc motors are wasting their time.......no. GET OVER THE F#$@'n SWAP, because its there dosent mean its the BE ALL mod. Im so sick and tired of this site above all with its hardocore wannabe 3s point of view(not you Anadson or the 3 others) but jesus christ there are other modifications out there other than a 3s. You dont see all the Honda owners automatically SWAPPING a H-22 becuase its there. * sighs* (blood pressure lowering) There are so many different mods out there other than the blessed 3s. So when I or some other newbiee wants info dont brain wash him/her into thinking the damn 3s is the ONLY mod worth pursuing because against all non-sense its by far not. Not everything is going to blow........well yea everything in due time will even the 3s will (popular to contrary believe) Anadson..this wasnt a slander to your reply, your cool in my books. |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 3:02 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 *contrary to popular believe*
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Nov 24, 2003 - 3:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 26, '03 From Wisconsin Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yo, the 3s is more stable for higher compression rates then the 5s. That's why the 3s swap is so popular. I've heard REALLY bad things about rippmods. Read hyperdeathkills post about how they run their business. The 5sfe supercharger isnt even proven to fit into a 94-99 celica. I can tell your obviously not all about the 3s swap b/c your name is 5sfe turbo. I thought about turboing my motor, but in the long run the 3s is my best bet.
-------------------- i am awesome
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Nov 24, 2003 - 3:25 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Read the posts on celican.net, dont just trust what someone "said". Its popular by word of mouth not by experience. Given the 3s is built for boost hence the turbo that compliements the motor, why would anyone bother force inducting a N/A car when there are plenty that will last and destroy a 3s
 but this isn't a 5s v.s. 3s topic.
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Nov 24, 2003 - 3:35 AM
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That's a very good point. I used to kind of be all for the swaps like many people here, though I was open to turbocharging or supercharging the 7A-FE or 5S-FE. My response to people asking to swap or turbocharge was usually to swap, but if someone was intent on turbocharging their stock motor, I wasn't against it. Now, more than ever, I'm leaning the other way. I know not everyone has the nightmarishly-horrible experience that I'm experiencing or John is experiencing or Ray is experiencing, but the truth is, sometimes a swap is just not worth it. I'll be without my car for over half of a year, maybe more. Right now, I'm really wishing I'd have turbocharged the 7A-FE or left it stock, or something...anything. I'd rather have a turbocharged 7A-FE than my bmx bike. -------------------- New Toyota project coming soon...
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Nov 24, 2003 - 4:16 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
Im with other mod then 3S... All i see is SWAP SWAP SWAP in Engine forums... And i dont get it... A lot of people are puting turbos or SC and they are Riding theyr cars... AND THEY DONT BLOW (offen).. And then i need to find some info on 7A-FTE i always go to c.net... cuz here i just CANT find any info about turboing, or experience on Turboing...
-------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
Full custom Projects from restoration to performance builds <<<<<< DCw / JDMart >>>>>>> |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 5:45 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Sydney, Australia Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you want to do some research on the rippmods ST, try a search on the mr2 boards. Ages ago I was reading a lot of interesting stuff on the mr2 boards and issues were brought up with in that community. There are other cars besides the celica that have the 5sfe. On a whole the the mr2.com board is a lot more performance oriented than here or celica.net. You will get a lot of good info on the 5sfe
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Nov 24, 2003 - 3:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 18, '02 From Texas Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Also, there's a lot of good info on www.corolla-racing.com
There's a lot of guys on there that have done the 7AFE turbo or other significant mods other than just a swap |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 5:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i have noticed that most of the people that say do a swap are people that haven't done it.. (strange huh) They say it cheaper to swap, the swap will be better in the long run blah blah blah... yea its not that simple.. just some points to think about
1. when you buy jdm engine you really don't know how many miles it has 2. in someplaces you might not be able to insure your care or pass inspecation 3. the swap might just not work (as john about it) 4. if you think a 3s engine isn't going to blow..think again any engine can 5. ever engine that is built is made to handle about 3 times the power it has from stock...just somthing those crazy car guys do so people don't die every time they start there cars.. -------------------- |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 8:34 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 9:48 PM
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Heh... amen to that. People don't realize that spending 2k on a clip doesn't mean that clip is gonna magically implant itself into their cars. It's not gonna be cheap, especially if you can't do your own work. I can start listing basic stuff and prices, which will easily exceed the price of the RIPPMODS s/c... but then it'll probably discourage many of the 'dreamers' out there. First off, yes, the 3sgte can handle more boost, but that does not mean the motor will be running maxed out when it's swapped. Typically speaking, most guys who have done the swap, keep the motor within fairly modest boost levels. 10-12 psi? Only a few people will swap and build that motor as high as they can. The s/c from RIPPMODs does seem very good, and they seem to be a reputable company. The thing that confirms this, with me, is the WARRANTEE. Most people here will be plenty happy with nearly 200 whp, the power the RIPPMOD s/c can help put out. I mean, it'll be so much more than a n/a 5sfe, noone's gonna care whether it can possibly be pushed harder. 190+ to the wheels = mid-high 14's in the 1/4 mile. Honestly speaking, a turbo motor putting 200whp will lose to a s/c motor putting 200whp in the 1/4 mile. All in all, when newbies come along and ask what mods are there that can make their 6th gens faster, the 3sgte is but a vague dream to most people. I mean, everyone here probably drives their celica on a daily basis. Swapping a motor can put a car out of comission for quite a bit of time. Just ask coomer if he's enjoying his excercise. There are other options. Of course, the 3sgte is a legendary motor, on and on, but practically speaking, it's not practical for anyone short of a person who really wants to build his car (kuya). If you want some quick power, why not the s/c. Power is power after all, right? |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 9:50 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Refer to my explaination of 'dreamer mods'... although nice, practicallity will run short... not to mention your wallet. |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 10:05 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
depends on the supercharger. the SC that comes in the rippmods kit acts very much like a turbo, except it will only hit max boost at redline/just before a shift. plus a turbo setup would make the same 200whp at lower boost and hit max boost well before redline. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Nov 24, 2003 - 10:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That's true actually... however, a supercharger that runs max boost off idle will beat a turbo... ;] Yes, a turbo can potentially make more power at lower boost... but that's not the case here... turbo vs. s/c It's more or less, why the Rippmods s/c is a good alternative over a swap. This post has been edited by Kwanza: Nov 24, 2003 - 10:41 PM |
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Nov 24, 2003 - 11:35 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i would say go with TC.. my reasons for saying that is you have more freedom with the TC as in doing custom work... do you home work and get all your parts.. grap a friend or two and take one weekend and a few beers and install it...
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Nov 25, 2003 - 12:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Dream or imagination? Think outside the box. It's an option, just like a 3s swap but cheaper and less reliable. Just like a Turbo but more expensive and more powerful.(turbocharging the engine that is) True, you cannot do some of the things that page mentions in your basement, but can you swap out for a 3s in your basement? Options. |
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Nov 25, 2003 - 4:35 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 15, '02 From Corona & Vallejo, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
OK... here' my take on this whole argument...
First, I personally don't think it's worth upgrading the 7A. But I do support upgrading a 5S. If you do plan on upgrading a 7A, be prepared to spend lots of money rebuilding the internals. Second, I've never really put anyone down for wanting to upgrade their factory motor. Yes, I always recommended a 3S over anything else, BUT I ALWAYS ask what their ultimate power goals are. Basically, that's what it boils down to. If you have the funds and wish to attain HIGH OUTPUT from your car, I feel that a 3S swap would be worth it. Needless to say, if you only want to attain about 200 to 300 HP, upgrading your 5S will suffice. Again, I believe that it boils down to your goal for power gains and how much you are willing to dump (not invest) into your car. Patience is also RECOMMENDED... for both swaps and upgrades. I support a lot of what was said here... Just my $0.02... This post has been edited by kuya1284: Nov 25, 2003 - 4:45 AM |
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Nov 25, 2003 - 11:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
The 7a isn't that bad,it's not heavy, and not near as weak as people say.
" Engine Block: 7A-FE fitted with oil cooled pistons Cylinder Head: 4A-GE 20valve head Pistons: 4A-GZE pistons Connecting rods: ARGO custom rods with 3/8" ARP bolts Crankshaft: Standard 7A-FE Compression Ratio: 8.9:1 Boost pressure: 18psi Power: 300hp @ 7000 rpm Turbocharger: Garrett GT25 twin ball bearing, 320hp model Intercooler: Water-to-air " This is a far off example, but an example none the less. I put this up to show that a 7a crank can handle 200+hp. I have e-mailed the guy that did it to find out how long it lasted. (hopefully still on the road.) Now: a 7a with 4agze pistons and custom rods could be had for about a grand I would think. Then throw in the turbocharger and you could have boost around 12-14 and no problems.(properly intercooled.) That's not bad for power or money, as long as you were only looking for about 250 hp. I may be off the mark here, but if I am, I'm not too far off. Jon |
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