Jims '93 Alltrac Build Thread, start up vid PG7! Options

[presure2]

.im not picking the parts, anyway, im just putting it all together for them, and making suggestions along the way.

^ you get to live the dream without spending the green! lol got to love it!

pretty much art!
jims great to work with. he comes to the table with plans and ideas, we refine them, and modify them along the way as needed with no issues.
he sends me up whatever money i need to gather parts, plus a little for labor (i always give him amazing labor prices, cause he's a good friend, and he's always helped me out when i needed it, and allowed me to learn ALOT working on his cars.)
its funny, i told jim a while ago:
"there are 2 kinds of people that dont work on theyre own cars. either you dont know enough about it to do it yourself, so you HAVE to pay for it, or you have more money than time, and its just less hassle to pay for it and get it done rather than trying to find the time/space/tools to do it all yourself."
Jim falls into the latter catagory, and for us, it works out perfectly.

[presure2]

so quite a few changes since my last post.
found some interesting things while taking apart itchys old built block.
first, it was supossed to be aria PISTONS, not rods as i put in my earlier post.
itchys for sale thread had that info in it, arias pistons, eagle rods.
opened it up, its the typical MCS build, with CP pistons, and eagle rods.
not a huge deal, since we cant use the pistons with the 5s block, but dissapointed to see they wernt what jim paid for.

so, talked things over with jimbo and joe, and then called ATS racing, and talked to arron about a few things.

that said, we're gonna go with a setup somthing like this (As usual totally subject to change..lol) :
98+ 5s block
custom stroker weisco 8.3:1 pistons
eagle rods
3s crank
acl race bearings
3rd gen oil system and pan
ATS 5sgte headgasket
3rd gen head
GSC 268* cams w adjustable gears
engle springs
custom intake and exhaust manifolds
precision 5857 turbo
tial gate
3" turbo back ehxuast
4" intake

[_Jim_]

YUMMMMMM!!!

[presure2]

i decided to start a thread in FI about the build of the motor, since that is good info to have in that forum, i will keep this thread more about the car itself with just minimal engine build pics from here on out.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=78459

[al94st]

What happened with this car? I was looking forward to some final numbers / vids or something...

[mak5603]

My guess is that some time shortly after losing the privilege to rip 6gc.net members off, Jim lost the funding for the project. Who knows though? Feel like there would have been some sort of closure to this thread had it been completed..

[presure2]

jim decided not to go ahead with the build, and the car and all the parts are for sale, last i heard.
who did he rip off?
he didnt "loose funding by ripping off people on 6gc", cause i already had/have all the parts for the build here in my garage.
he decided to go in another direction i guess. i dont know exactly, havnet talked to him in a while.

[rave2n]

who did he rip off?

I did not recieve what was promised in my transaction with him, as well paying quite the hefty price for an engine set. 2.8k. Which was simply a purchase from another importer, sent directly to me. I could have done that myself for 1k less.

Being he allowed payments for the transaction I figured I could just chaulk it off as neutral transaction because I did actually recieve something for my money, whereas others were just getting nothing....just not all that was promised...which is documented.

Here is part of the promise in PM. Neither recieved.

"Price for a standard GEN3 with upgraded Heat exchanger and upgraded pump, and plug and play harness
2800 shipped to your door."

There was no upgraded heat exchanger, or pump. The harness is certainly not "plug and play" It wasn't touched. When I asked him about it, he said send it off to get Tweak to take care of it. Which implied I would be paying for it, as he made no mention of consuming the cost of such...which is why I was willing to pay a higher fee for the engine because these items were meant to be taken care of.

I also waited 4 months after final payment to recieve the engine due to "flooding" in the area according to claims. Whatever on that, but just another hit on the dial.

Also like to add, I don't even know if this engine set is in good working order. No idea on mileage or compression. It looks okay, and basically I'm moving forward on hopes and dreams. I trusted the word of the community as him as good seller, and hoping I don't get screwed completely after purchasing all the items to complete this swap.

I've just been moderately silent on the matter....

EDIT: Forgot to mention, what would make me happy about the transaction. Atleast 700 dollars sent back to my paypal.

This post has been edited by rave2n: Jul 2, 2012 - 12:03 PM

[mak5603]

Yeah, I PM'd my personal story but it is very similar to the above, just more money was involved..

Then Jim COMPLETELY started ignoring EVERY attempt I made to contact him. Pretty bad business for someone you pay over $5000 to.. (which was a significant amount of money at the time considering I was 19.)

To this day I still don't have the parts he never sent me because I am too butthurt to go spend another $500-$1000 to get parts that I aleady paid for..

Edit: Holy crap, just read the above post again. So many similarities! I also got no compression test, zero paperwork whatsoever and he told me my motor was 19,000 miles but wouldn't show me the gauge cluster. Same thing with the harness. Same thing with the accumulated years of waiting, and same thing with the communitys word as to why I trusted him so much. $700 is about the amount that would make me happy as well. Obviously being the businessman Jim is, it is unfortunate to come to terms with the fact that that will more than likely never happen. Just like he will never send me my parts.. That sad realization is more or less what has kept me so quiet as well, well and the hopes that maybe, just maybe I would eventually get what I paid for.

This post has been edited by mak5603: Jul 2, 2012 - 3:49 PM

[mgnt232]

ha so looks like I'm not getting my $3200 engine thats in the altrac i paid for well over a year ago.... any idea whats going on the that manny? PM me if you do thanks

[rave2n]

ha so looks like I'm not getting my $3200 engine thats in the altrac i paid for well over a year ago.... any idea whats going on the that manny? PM me if you do thanks

Damn...he pitched that engine to me as well. I wanted it, but my deposit amount was not enough. Feel for ya man, we rowing this boat together, but your the captain at the moment when it comes to losses...

Think he has any assets? We can all pitch in for a lawsuit...I have documentation on the matter.

This post has been edited by rave2n: Jul 2, 2012 - 6:41 PM

[mak5603]

ha so looks like I'm not getting my $3200 engine thats in the altrac i paid for well over a year ago.... any idea whats going on the that manny? PM me if you do thanks

Damn...he pitched that engine to me as well. I wanted it, but my deposit amount was not enough. Feel for ya man, we rowing this boat together, but your the captain at the moment when it comes to losses...

Think he has any assets? We can all pitch in for a lawsuit...I have documentation on the matter.

Whatever it takes man. I would just honestly LOVE to finally get my axles. As well as an intake setup that I was promised as part of an extra fee I paid for that and my harness to be extended, which also hasn't been done yet.

Edit: Mgnt, Sorry to hear! Jim took a year to get me my motorset after I gave him full payment, so maybe there is still hope for you. I certainly hope so at least

This post has been edited by mak5603: Jul 2, 2012 - 7:36 PM

[al94st]

lol dang, looks like I reopened Pandora's box. I feel for you guys, at one time I had also considered buying a clip from him. I hope you guys get what you paid for someday.

[mak5603]

lol dang, looks like I reopened Pandora's box. I feel for you guys, at one time I had also considered buying a clip from him. I hope you guys get what you paid for someday.

Everytime I've seen this thread bumped since it started, it has made my blood boil. I literally feel like we, the 6gc community built this motor for Jim, lol. So I just felt like being a smartass.

Obviously I realize (at least I think) that's not his only source of income, but still. I can think of multiple people who are missing a combined over $5000 in parts from him. Straight up BS.

[Syaoran]

Karma's a b***** so don't worry. Sooner or later things will be right.

[supershannon77]

You guys have no idea. Thats all I am saying. I advise anyone against sending him any money. If you want the part that bad I say send the money to me and tell him its payment for what he owes me.

[czwalga]

He's a thief. I was ripped off but not nearly as bad as some of you guys wow.... i feel for you.

[presure2]

wow...this is way bigger than i imagined.
i knew there were a couple people who had bad deals with jim, czwalga is one of them. had no idea it was this crazy.

i have several thousand dollars worth of parts that belong to him, i wish there were some way to turn it into cash to at least pay you guys back for the parts you have paid for.

its been a while since i've talked to him, ill give him a call this weekend, and see what the deal is with all of you guys.
if someone wants to start a dedicated thread to this issue, that would be great, and spread the word so that we can get a detailed list of exactly who is missing parts and or money, and exactly what they are owed, that way its all in one spot so that when i do talk to him, i can have all the details to go over with him.
i cant promise you guys anything, but i will try and help out where i can, i dont like the idea of you guys getting totally ripped off like that.

back when these issues first started, he mentioned that some of the guys that were complaining were guys that had settled with him on a payment plan, took way longer than agreed to pay, then complained when theyre stuff wasnt shipped immediately, which is understandable i guess, but to not come thru and send anything, or to send the wrong or broken parts is just not cool.

if you guys need contact info or anything, send me a PM, i can help you guys out there, no problem.

[rave2n]

back when these issues first started, he mentioned that some of the guys that were complaining were guys that had settled with him on a payment plan, took way longer than agreed to pay, then complained when theyre stuff wasnt shipped immediately, which is understandable i guess, but to not come thru and send anything, or to send the wrong or broken parts is just not cool.

That is a load of horsesh!t - I personally paid everything on time except for 1 payment, which he confirmed was alright, and I paid a double payment on the next one.

The payment agreement was agreed upon before the purchase which outlined how long it would take to complete purchase. I offered to write up a contract but he refused and said a record of PMs would do just fine.

Don't know how it went with the other guys....just how it went with me.

Guess I'll start a thread.

This post has been edited by rave2n: Jul 23, 2012 - 12:08 PM

[supershannon77]

I have found Jim's most valuable asset is time. I wonder what can be done legally that he would be forced to waste time at. If Jim misses a day of work he does not get paid so he never ever takes off. When were dating it was always a battle just to get him to take a few days off to go on vacation.

All I can say is I am glad my biggest battle with him was over the car. I'm so thankful we never got married and had kids. I couldn't imagine going thur this all and having a huge custody fight.

I hope everyone knows that I was never involved in the stuff Jim sold on this site. I would hate if anyone had bad feelings towards me for Jims wrong doings.