new question, cranking but won't start, and a plug and something e, HELPPPPPPPP Options

[presure2]

ok.
reading the whole thread again, you used a 94 engine, in your 97.

i assume from some of your previous threads, IIRC, that you used the 97 harness and ecu, and swapped over the accessories from the 97 motor to the 94?
did you swap the oil pump housing, and pully as well? (it has the intergrated crank sensor mount built into the oil pump housing, and the pully has the trigger wheel intergrated into it.)
did you use the 97 distributor? (you should be if not)

pretty much anything that bolts to the engine (with the exception of the PS pump, and water pump) that has a sensor attached to it needs to be from the 97 motor, that way the ecu recieves all the proper signals it needs.

does anyone else know if the 96+7afe's used a cam sensor? i know the 99 gt's did..but not sure about earlier years/models.

[NOVAKx17]

okay i can take some pictures when i make it home tonight,
but the harness is still the 97 harness
and i swapped over everything you guys told me to, including the dizzy,

not sure as to where its mounted because i never paid attention to look,
but as i said i will get the pictures up tonight!

and yes, i swapped over the oil pump housing and crank sensor too, i had to do it while the engine was inside the car because i didn't know i had to,
and let me tell you, it was a pain compared to doing it out side of the engine bay, but i got it done and its switched over too.

This post has been edited by NOVAKx17: Jan 22, 2011 - 10:42 AM

[presure2]

sorry i edited my post as you were posting..lol

[NOVAKx17]

ha it happens, but yeah, i'll take some pictures really close up tonight so we can hopefully figure out
whats going on here

[NOVAKx17]

okay, still haven't been able to take pictures, BUT i have all the ground correctly, and i used a volt tester to check to see if i was getting power to the distributor with the key in the on position, and i am. lights right up .... there is only one other plug besides the one i showed you that i could think would possibly have anything to do with the car not starting.... it is down by the starter and it looks like a ground? it has a brass head that goes under a bolt and you tighten it down .... its just hanging there and i'm guessing it goes onto the block somewhere? if anyone can shed some light on this it would be greatly appreciated.

[presure2]

i need pics!

[NOVAKx17]

hopefully can get pictures tonight, but i tried that with the screw driver like you told me , and still no spark to the plugs..... but i am getting the light thing to light up at the plug to the dizzy so i don't get it... if its getting power to the dizzy, why isn't it going through to the plugs?

[stephen_lee]

you have an intact timing belt right?

[NOVAKx17]

by that i'm guessing you mean its on and tensioned? if thats the question then yes, its put on properly

[njccmd2002]

before you continue any further, you need to find out what those plugs are for. especially if they were plugged before and not they are not, they might be essential

[NOVAKx17]

okay, still wasn't able to find my camera, but i did manage to find an iflip...

so bear with me... and don't mind my lisp. ha. effing jolly rancher.....

so here goes nothing

vid 1 and vid 2 are just of the mysterious plug i can't find a mate to.





vid 3 is below the intake and above the starter... its the one that looks like its going up and should be going down, it used to go to the rail that went from the intake down to the bottom of the firewall or crossmember i believe, not sure. but its grounded still, none the less.


vid 4 is over by the ac and bottom of the radiator


and lastly vid 5 is just of the distributor. which i've checked and checked, 1 plug.


lets get this figured out....

[mkernz22]

it looks like someone really hacked up that engine harness, not gunna lie

[NOVAKx17]

mysterious plug went to the o2 sensor on the header.... somehow i had the 2 o2 sensors mixed up and had the one prong plug o2 sensor on the manifold instead of on the down pipe.... switched them and it mates up fine..... still no spark though

[stephen_lee]

ok that center wire on the dixy cao goes to your coil. i zoomed on the ignitor. im almost betting its ecu, or the ignitor

[Spider77]

Glad that the mystery plug was taken care of. Get me a better pic of the other one (down by the radiator) and I can see if I cant mate that up to anything else. And as far as your ignitior goes, just use that PDF I sent to pull some readings. But I'm with stephen on this, one of the two.

[NOVAKx17]

okay well i couldn't find my meter today so i wasn't able to test it.... but i still don't see how the igniter could of went bad if it worked fine 3 months ago, and only sat outside for 2 months in the summer..... then was rolled into our garage.... it seems to me it should still work fine....


talked to spider some more, thought it might be because of alot of moisture in the distributor maybe?

and for the ecu, i don't think it could of gotten f-ed up as to the fact i didn't even undo the harness, just pulled it all neeatly out of the way and plugged everything back in as it should be , no bare wires ever touched anything they shouldn't have or went somewhere they weren't supposed to as the only things i messed with were plugs, never wires by themselves.......


so hoping someone can shine some light on this or maybe tell me a way to do another test to find if its the distributor or not .......... getting very disheartened

[mkernz22]

so did you swap the 94 head out for the 97 head?
that could be your problem if you didn't.

[stephen_lee]

i doubt thts the issue. the oilpump, dizzy, misc sensors are all really thats needed to run.

[NOVAKx17]

exactly.... so i'm thinking i might take apart the dizzy to see if its not damp or filled with moisture, check the coil while i'm at it...

if that doesn't help with anything then next step is igniter, and if that doesn't fix it then
ecu i suppose?

lets hope i can get lucky

[NOVAKx17]

Well i've decided that i'm going to tough it out...

i'm hauling the car over to our mechanics shop who is a pretty good friend of ours,
he said he'll give me a pretty good deal and get it running......

so within the next 3 or 4 days it should be up and running, i'm dropping it off today at 1pm.

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hopefully i can finally join the "running" celica club hahah