 Heel-Toe Driving |
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 Dec 7, 2003 - 4:32 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Mar 6, '03 From South Central Los Angeles and Long Beach, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%)  |
Well now that winter is here I'm pretty sure that a lot of you are out there in the snow or rain drifting pulling the ebrake and all.
So my question is, if anyone here can HEEL-TOE?? I've tried it a lot of times in my car and it seems like the gas is a little low so its makes it more difficult! I can actually heel-toe better in my 4runner than my celica. Is there a way i can adjust the gas or brake pedal to move it up or down? OR can the people that can do it give me some tips on how they do it? Any info would help. ANd have fun but be safe!! David |
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Dec 7, 2003 - 4:54 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 18, '02 From San Diego, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yeh, someone explain what this guy is talking about.
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Dec 7, 2003 - 5:28 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I think its were you are hitting the brake with your toes and hitting the gas with your heal in a turn, its part of the drifting technique, you'll see on those import drifting videos they will have cameras of there feet and show how they heal toe. Basically so you can be slowing down in a turn while bringing the ass end out to drift it. This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Dec 7, 2003 - 5:28 PM |
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Dec 7, 2003 - 5:29 PM
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 Administrator Joined Aug 23, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 14 (100%) |
I had a hard time doing it in my Celica a while ago when I actually had it, so I think I'm going to buy new pedals soon so that I can do this.
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Dec 7, 2003 - 5:36 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yup, I'm still not very good at it, but the autovation pedals helped a whole lot.
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Dec 7, 2003 - 6:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Does it work with front wheel drive?
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Dec 7, 2003 - 6:14 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 13, '02 From Hawaii Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Too much option video eh?
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Dec 7, 2003 - 7:42 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 6, '03 From South Central Los Angeles and Long Beach, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
LMAO!!.... I knew i would get at least one person asking what this was. Anyway i think the heel-toe CAN ONLY be used on RWD cars cuz thats how u get the rear 2 drift right?? But for FWD cars then it would just be e-brake?? David |
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Dec 7, 2003 - 8:39 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
heel toe shifting is not just for rwd cars and drifting it is used to keep a turbo spooling even through a turn or when slowing down. its a combination of braking, accelerating, and shift in order to make the car faster through handling. for example, WRC drivers use it to keep the boost up and to control the weight shift of the car in a turn. that being said, i have heard its hard to do in the 6gc because of the pedal placement. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Dec 7, 2003 - 8:39 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the purpose of heel-toe shifting is so you don't upset the balance of the car. this is most useful for rwd cars but can apply to fwd as well. check out this link for more info >>> http://www.turnfast.com/tech_driving/driving_heeltoe.lasso |
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Dec 7, 2003 - 8:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 2, '03 From Annandale VA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah ive been trying too... Just doesnt seem to work well in our celis, the gas too low even though i got aftermarket pedals, mine dont work for it
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Dec 7, 2003 - 10:58 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
heel-toeing isnt just for RWD cars. heel toeing is an effective way to downshift while keeping the revs up and eleviates the time needed between braking and shifting by doing both things at once. i was getting pretty good at it with the celica, and even heeltoed in the 180 turn on our autocross pretty effectively... but i have to re-teach myself in the MR2 because the pedal feel is alot different. and yes, heeltoeing is very effective for drifting because it allows you to downshift at a higher RPM, effectively breaking the rear wheels loose earlier.
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Dec 8, 2003 - 2:51 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the goal is to be able to do some moderate drifting in the 2... need somewhere to practice though
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Dec 8, 2003 - 12:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Damn gas pedal placement didnt do much for me either, thank you e-brake!!!
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Dec 8, 2003 - 7:15 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From San Diego CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
If you have a wide foot like me you can reach the brake with one sideof your foot and then tap the gas with the other side of your foot. takes lots of practice so just be patient
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Dec 8, 2003 - 9:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 14, '03 From atlanta ga Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
yeah...its not just for drifting and its for any manual tranny car...
look at it like this... 4500rpm in 3rd gear. step on clutch. downshift to 2nd. let go of clutch. feel that jerking motion that makes you want to throw up spills the morning coffee all over your brand new khakis? well rev matching eliminates this. heel toe is more of a deceleration technique. it utilizes rev matching to eliminate the jerking and sudden weight transfers that are undesirable...and heel toe is a way to use the tranny and engine for added braking power. i cant heel-toe in the celica but i revmatch the downshift and its become habit. but i can heel-toe in the 240sx. practice rev matching first so you will know where the rpm match and meet throughout all the gears. im my experience 3000+rpms in 3rd is hardest to downshift. i have to rev it to 4200 and then let the clutch go in second. i would practice on the freeway first going from 5th to 4th. then once you get comfortable and fast with it. take to a red light. |
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Dec 8, 2003 - 10:58 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 15, '03 From NYC, Queens Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i can do it on my celi. matter of fact i go driftin with my friends. they have 240's, mr2, what not. i have a very wide accel pedal and i use sneakers.
accelerate preferably over 3rd or 4th gear. step on the brake. while letting go off the brake a lil bit, step on the clutch and with ur heel tap the accel. and downshift. start to turn pull the brake while ur keepin ur foot on the accel. then u'll feel ur rear losing grip. turn ur wheel the opposite way u first turned ur wheel. and there u hab it. FWD DORIFTO~~~~. doesnt look as fancy as rwd drifts but it's good enough to hab a lotta fun. hope it helps This post has been edited by 7aek: Dec 8, 2003 - 11:00 PM |
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Dec 9, 2003 - 12:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 6, '03 From South Central Los Angeles and Long Beach, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
I kinda have a wide foot and can do that too. But i really wanna heel-toe instead. Oh and Ive been revmatching my car within 2 months after I started driving. So thats not a problem. A little different after the swap but not a big deal. David |
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Dec 9, 2003 - 9:37 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
he he, i think i will be the only persone here who is learning how to brake with left leg
it is almost the same as Heel-toe driving It was very hard to use my left leg for braking but after few weeks of practice (on clear road offcorse) now it is getting better and better... And all i can say that sometimes people just ask IS YOUR CAR RWD?? Cuz i can slide into the corner if the reaction and trajectory is good  Its kinda fun
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Dec 9, 2003 - 10:05 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
left foot braking! w00t nice doggy! -------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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