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 Nov 14, 2003 - 4:11 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Aug 2, '03 From Anchorage, AK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Is our car faster than a 7th gen gt? I was just looking at the specs and they only have 10 more hp than us(gt) and we have about 10 more Tq. So does anybosy know which is faster assuming that both were being driving my equal drivers. If im wrong on the specs can someone clarify.
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Nov 14, 2003 - 5:33 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
I dont know about US GT's... But here i raced 7 gen celica GT that has 140 hp, and i won by the half of car... And my ST only has 115 hp  ...
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Nov 14, 2003 - 10:34 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 18, '02 From San Diego, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I beat my cousin's a 7th gen GT AUTO, with my ST MANUAL by a little over a car length. Both of us just have intake and exhaust. He has a AEM CAI with a TRD exhaust, and I have an INJEN short ram, with a Sebring exhaust.
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Nov 15, 2003 - 2:05 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
gotta love how celicas turned into honda vtec like torqueless wonders a 5spd GT 6gc is only a little slower in the 1/4 than a 6spd gts 7gc, with equal drivers. that i because of all the torque the 6gs GT has low in the powerband and the crappy, freeway flyer powerband of the GTS -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Nov 19, 2003 - 1:08 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hehe... 7th gen GTS 6speeds run mid-low 15's stock.... 6th gen GT's run mid-high 16's stock... not even close... The 7th Gen GT is quicker than 6th Gen GT's simply because of weight and gearing... And FYI... the 1zz motor is not torquelss (although the 2zz can be considered so). It pushes 125 ft lbs of torque at 4500 rpm... comparable to the 5sfe... considering it's .4 liters smaller in displacement... It's simply a better motor than any 5sfe or 7afe. And all of you ST guys who claim to beat 7th gen GTs (albeit a 5speed ST can beat an AUTO GT, even a GTS)...heh... I'll just laugh to myself. There's no real way, even with a bad driver, can I imagine an ST 5speed beating a 7th gen GT 5 speed... I'm not hatin...I drive an ST myself... but I know what I run in the 1/2 mile, track timed, and not those g-tech bullcrap guess things, and mod for mod, I know there's no way I can really beat any 7th Gen GT... |
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Nov 19, 2003 - 1:36 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
thats why i would rather have the 7gc GT. easier to turbo and cheaper insurance with none of that VTEC wanna-be crap most 7gc gts's that i see are driven poorly. its not an easy car to drive from what i hear. honda guys even say that the 7gc gts doesnt have enough torque!! 7gc's weigh about the same, i think, but im not sure. 6th gens are geared to be torquey and 7gc's are more like hondas now. a race between a 6gc and a 7gc will start with the 6gc ahead and the 7gc passing it soon after.(when the corresponding models race) oh and btw the 7afe makes max torque somewhere around 2500rpm, same size engine, 40 less hp due to a lower CR This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Nov 19, 2003 - 1:39 AM -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Nov 19, 2003 - 2:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
7afe 9:5:1 1zzfe 10:0:1 Peak torque hardly matters in a street race. The low-end peak of the 7AFE will allow it to beat off most hondas off the line, but its lack of hp will cause the damn thing to accelerate like crud, and even though the 1zzfe peaks at 4500 rpms, that doesn't mean it's putting out less torque than the 7afe at 2500 rpms. I will agree that the 1zz has slightly high compression ratio, but when I machined my 7afe head raising the compression around 10:0:0... with a port/polish and a 3 angle valve job, the damn thing only dynoed around 110 whp or so... although it did push more after CAI/H/E/pulley, safc tuned... etc. As far as engine prefrence goes, I will agree... lack of low-end torque makes a car fairly booring to drive, unless you rev the piss out of it all the time. That's why I personally will say, there's no replacement for displacement... |
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Nov 19, 2003 - 2:48 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok i have and ST auto and i have gotten my as handed to my buy bother 7gc.. and trust me when i tell you i know how to drive the right way...so i really don't think that when you match up any 7th to 6gc. it will be faster (unless your swaped or boosting or spraying)... just my 2 cents..
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Dec 4, 2003 - 9:49 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey guys,
I just feel sorry for you in the states. I have a curren (ST206) with a 3S GE engine with about 180bhp stock and a GT4 (ST205) with 260BHP stock. 7th gen Celica is crap. smaller car just made to get market share from hondas and mostly targets young ladies that want to match the color of the car with their fionger nails. I am ashame for you. You should not even discuss power and speed for cars less than 250 bhp. Having a curren for 5 years, i bought my GT4 when an bmw X5 passed me on the freeway and all the 180 bhp of the car and all the effort i put into it and i could not even match the acceleration of that oversized boat. With the GT4 though that a completely different story. No one has dared so far get bme in the freeway. |
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Dec 4, 2003 - 2:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Heh... put a 7th gen and a GT4 on a track and you'll soon see these "little chick cars" are far more capable than any GT-4. FYI, a GT-4 is only a bit quicker than a 7th gen GTS in the straight-line, say about a second slower, which is about 1 1/2 car lengths (stock for stock). The thing is, the GT4 will not hold its ground on the race track. The chassi design of the 7th gen is far superior to a 6th gen... so even with all of that power, when you talk of racing, I doubt, with equally skilled drivers, a GT4 can take a 7th gen GTS. Just look at this year's D1. The Revolver Hachi with 180ps takes out Various Nissan Silvias, Skylines, Supras, with less than 1/2 the HP of some of those cars. |
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Dec 4, 2003 - 3:40 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 20, '03 From Annapolis, Md Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Really if you guy's are going to talk about raceing and power, go get a real car like a camaro, corvette or a bmw ... this is sad. This is almost as bad as the honda sites.
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Dec 4, 2003 - 5:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
camaro-drag car corvette-camaro with 100x better handling bmw-brick, some have power whats wrong with talking about racing a gt4? any idea of what the thing was built for? -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Dec 4, 2003 - 6:00 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Im going to have to call you on that one. The 3sgte has alot more low end power then a 7th gen celica gts. So the gt4 would smoke it, maybe the 7th gen would start to gain ground once its going but the gt4 would still have a significant lead. Even the 5sfe rivals the 7th gen gts motor, I was looking at a 6th gen and the owner had a 7th gen gts, he said he was dissapointed in the 7th gen, he thought his 6th gen was faster then his 7th gen gts. |
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Dec 4, 2003 - 6:27 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'm not talking drag here. Of course the gt-4 would win drag... but track racing... I doubt it. Weight is the issue when it comes to track racing a gt-4. The 7th gen GTS is almost 1000 pounds lighter, stock, than a gt4. And the 5sfe vs a 2zzge... heh...that's funny. A 6th gen GT is over a second slower stock than a 7th gen GTS. That's about 2 cars lengths. The 7th gen GTS is simply superior in every way, chassi design, suspension, power, than the 6th gen GT. The reason the GTS feels weak, is that it is fairly modest till around 5000 rpms or so when VVTL-i kicks in. The 5sfe has a very broad low power band, but a very weak high-end powerband... so it feels a lot faster when you just drive it around, in its highest power/torque spots, below 4500rpms. And if your friend has a 7th gen GTS AUTO...then is 6th gen probably is faster. The auto 7th gen GTS are piss slow... This post has been edited by Kwanza: Dec 4, 2003 - 6:33 PM |
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Dec 14, 2003 - 6:31 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 17, '02 From England, UK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Through experience...
0 to 60, the 6th gen (uk spec) is fatser than the gen 7 (uk spec) 60 to 100, the gen 7 makes up the ground what with the lift and all. Both cars max out at about 145mph (Gen 6 was in front )Simmo
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Dec 15, 2003 - 12:22 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I have posted this before. My girlfriend OWNS a 7th Gen GTS(auto) i drive it all the time...there so sluggish. When you stomp it it goes no where...untill 6k RPM then it really opens up.
At a stop light..me and my mods and my girl and her CAI to about 50mph I whopped her ass and not just by a little either(we have gone at it like 3 times) call me a liar but Ive never posted BS on these sites to get attention. The 6gen is more responsive to a full foot on the gas, I know if we raced to 100mph she would get me but I know from multiple times of racing Im glad I own mine. BTW i have an auto. What Kwanza said but first hand. This post has been edited by 5sfeTurbo: Dec 15, 2003 - 12:24 AM |
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Dec 15, 2003 - 12:39 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
According to what I have read on other pages, the GT-4 (6th gen) spanks the ass of the 7th gen GTS. As the guy put it:
The GTS takes a good driver to know just when to accelerate through a corner. If it's not done properly, you loose traction. HOWEVER, with the GT-4 you just lay on the accelerator and let the differentials distribute the power wherever it is needed or not. Takes much of the effort out of racing, but who cares? Plus, you have hella more power through the straighs of the course, and we know who is going to own there. EDIT: I went to get hard evidence for this, but celica.net takes FAR too long to load. Which is the reason I am not on there very often!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This post has been edited by FallenHero: Dec 15, 2003 - 12:45 AM |
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Dec 15, 2003 - 1:24 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
from what i have read the auto gts is a far cry from an example of how fast a 7thgen gts is. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Dec 15, 2003 - 2:19 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 8, '03 From NorCal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
UK spec wouldn't count in this case...however, the 7th gen GTS will pull on the 3sge powered SS2 (UK GT) in the longer run. I'll say, maybe the UK Spec GT will win 0-60... but not 0-100. Don't underestimate that car. It's lighter, and more powerful than an SS2... only thing it lacks is torque, but because its revvy nature and the way it makes power and delivers its power, I'll argue, it can take an SS2 (around 170-180 bhp) in the longer distance, while losing out on the launch due to its lack of low-end torque... then again, the 3sge isn't a torquey beast like the 5sfe anyways...
heh, exactly correct... about a 2 second difference... Put it this way, stock for stock, a 7th gen GTS is much quicker than a 2nd gen alltrac (5th gen model alltrac)...
If you've ever driven track, you'll understand what I mean why the 3rd gen gt-4 (6th gen model) is too fat and sluggish to be competitive stock for stock against a 7th gen GTS on the track. Even in Rally, it was replaced by a smaller, lighter, better designed vehicle... in the corolla hatchback. It's rated at around 1600 kg weight (gt-4 around 3400-3500 pounds) compared to 2400-2500 pounds of the 7th gen GTS... so the power and torque isn't that huge of a difference in terms of accelerating through corners, but the deal is with the suspension and chassi designs. Basically, the 6th gen chassi and suspension design is old... and obsolete when compared to newer cars. The 7th gen, for one, has one of the best chassi designs ever, for a fwd compat sports car. When you compare the difficulties between driving the gt4 and the GTS... of course they're different, and one is obviously gonna be more difficult than the other, however, it's not a fair argument to say just because the gt4 is easier to drive means it'll win. Drivers know their cars when they race them... and again, I will mention, power isn't everything. The Revolver Hachi, rated around 180 ps, won the D1 drifting comp this year, with about 1/2 the HP of its competitors. Obviously, that hachi can't be making more than 120-130 ftlbs of torque, and it's not making hundreds of ponies, so why did it win? Same reason why it's the cult legend drift car. This post has been edited by Kwanza: Dec 15, 2003 - 2:41 AM |
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Dec 15, 2003 - 2:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 6, '03 From Jersey Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hmm interesting discussion.
well i know definately US 6gens are weak as hell, it's like a sports car for girls. but the 7gen is not as great as kawnza said. definately in the US, 7gens are better than 6 gens but esle where, i dont think so. note that higher models of 6 gens also have vvti and the GT4 is much better than the 7gen gts GT4 is made for ralley and when the turbo kicks in, it's far greater than the vvti so on track def. the GT4 can outrun a GTS i think its better for more GT4 owners to talk about this topic and i guess it is a lil sad talking about racing with puny hp us model celicas. but thats cuz the usmd sucks. the real 6 gens are much better cars. i like camaros n corvettes, but i think j-spec cars are better in design and performance, consider they last hella long. This post has been edited by poix: Dec 15, 2003 - 3:07 AM |
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