questions on 1994 celica gt Options

[Rcdel239]

Hello forum new guy here with some questions. So I have previously owned a 94 st but wasnt able to work on it much so I'm still basically a newbie.
I plan on buying a 94 celica gt hatch 5 speed. I know the whole afe system isnt much but a eco. gas saver so I was wondering what can be done as far as swaps or part swaps or mods. Ive always heard that you can use a age head but im not sure if thats true. Im not looking to have a super fast ride but pick up some more hp than its factory gives.

[NYp8tBaller07]

Search button if your biggest friend here; you would want to do a 3sgte swap, at least thats what most people do

[Rcdel239]

Search button if your biggest friend here; you would want to do a 3sgte swap, at least thats what most people do

Oh I know about the 3sgte swap. I would only dream of that. Its pretty expensive. and i did my part in research and couldnt really get much info that wasnt about exterior or like headers or exhaust and small stuff.

[richee3]

Putting a -GE head on an -FE motor will be just as much as, if not more, work than a 3S swap. As for more power from either the 5S or 3S engines, you're pretty much limited to the basic bolt-ons on a budget. By the time you've saved enough money to get any real power from either motor, you have enough for the 3S swap, which gives more bang for your buck. You're really better off to do basic maintenance than spend $1,000 on intake/header/exhaust and only gain 5 hp.

[Rcdel239]

Putting a -GE head on an -FE motor will be just as much as, if not more, work than a 3S swap. As for more power from either the 5S or 3S engines, you're pretty much limited to the basic bolt-ons on a budget. By the time you've saved enough money to get any real power from either motor, you have enough for the 3S swap, which gives more bang for your buck. You're really better off to do basic maintenance than spend $1,000 on intake/header/exhaust and only gain 5 hp.

very true and makes a lot of sense. thanks alot. Also I was reading on the howt to article on boosting an 7afe. is it even worth or safe to boost an afe engine ?

[Rcdel239]

also I've heard that the 4age is a possible swap. the 4age 20 v is a bit cheaper than the 3sgte. so what are opinions on the turbo 4age black or silver top swap. or are there to many conversions that need to be done ?

[richee3]

Opinions on boosting the 7A are mixed. Some people like it, others see it as a colossal waste of cash. If you're getting a GT, you'll have an S series engine, not an A series, so you'll want to stick to S series swaps, not the A series. You CAN do the 4A swap... but why would you when you already have S series motor mounts and can swap a BEAMS for the same price and get more power? Or a 3S-GTE?

By the way, it isn't an "AFE" engine. It's an "A" engine with an "FE" head. That's why there's a hyphen between the "A" and the "FE." Your old ST had a 7A-FE engine, which is from the A series of engines. The GT you're about to get has an 5S-FE, which is an S series engine with an FE head. All the S series engines use the same motor mounts, and the A series use the same motor mounts. So the 4A-GE is NOT a direct swap for the GT you're about to get. Don't worry about a 4A-GE (A series engine, GE head) swap for your new car. Stick to the S series engines- more power, about the same cost. Most people who have swapped the 4A-GE into a Celica say it simply doesn't have enough torque for a Celica, which is heavier than the Corolla that the engine was designed for.

[Rcdel239]

Opinions on boosting the 7A are mixed. Some people like it, others see it as a colossal waste of cash. If you're getting a GT, you'll have an S series engine, not an A series, so you'll want to stick to S series swaps, not the A series. You CAN do the 4A swap... but why would you when you already have S series motor mounts and can swap a BEAMS for the same price and get more power? Or a 3S-GTE?

By the way, it isn't an "AFE" engine. It's an "A" engine with an "FE" head. That's why there's a hyphen between the "A" and the "FE." Your old ST had a 7A-FE engine, which is from the A series of engines. The GT you're about to get has an 5S-FE, which is an S series engine with an FE head. All the S series engines use the same motor mounts, and the A series use the same motor mounts. So the 4A-GE is NOT a direct swap for the GT you're about to get. Don't worry about a 4A-GE (A series engine, GE head) swap for your new car. Stick to the S series engines- more power, about the same cost. Most people who have swapped the 4A-GE into a Celica say it simply doesn't have enough torque for a Celica, which is heavier than the Corolla that the engine was designed for.

Holy good info wow. I appreciate it. this basically answered any questions I've had forever. good stuff thanks alot richee.
so if i get a swap and its an s series is it direct drop in. I know I gotta do harness work and little adjustments but as far as dropping in the motor and tranny it will just bolt on to my stock mounts

[richee3]

Yes, exactly. You've hit the nail on the head. The naturally aspirated 3S-GE BEAMS and the 3rd generation 3S-GTE have the least harness work to do and both are well-documented on 6gc. Both bolt right in and can use your manual transmission from your GT and with a little harness work, you're off and ready to go.

[Rcdel239]

Yes, exactly. You've hit the nail on the head. The naturally aspirated 3S-GE BEAMS and the 3rd generation 3S-GTE have the least harness work to do and both are well-documented on 6gc. Both bolt right in and can use your manual transmission from your GT and with a little harness work, you're off and ready to go.

well thanks richee I appreciate it. So looking forward to get started. Already having a hard time finding a 3sge though celicas arent to big around my area, wish they were. shame cause they look and drive way better than cheap hondas. but time and effort and ima S*** on all these guys haha not that civics are bad but to many

This post has been edited by Rcdel239: Sep 12, 2011 - 8:23 PM